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i agree too.. but just mentioning the name honda with the overwhelming impact of a lot of its defenders in this entire initial d website makes every forum an open forum for ricers.

....!!!! ppl have different point of view also different type of taste i think is wasting time here talk about which one is better !

hmm i guess i started this board with me driving a toyota hehe =) i still like them better. they hold onto their value and just look better except i do kinda like that 2 dr accord v6 hehe

ok i will start by saying i only read throught he first 2 pages or so, so if i say something someone else said i am sorry but here we go.

First I will add in what i see as mistakes that were made. The S2000 is perhaps the WORST car Honda ever made as far as aftermarket tuning goes. The car is a what you see is what you get. Honda's FIRST FR was a bad idea and here is why. Sure Honda did one hell of a job on the car's design, it is a beautiful shell looks agressive and has a nice sporty stance. The motor is another masterpeice, Honda's B16a/a2 (Sir and SiRII) as well as B16b were the first to make the famed hp/per liter rating and now the S2k does one better. BUT the motor is so technologically advanced that it reacts so so to aftermarket parts. The S2k with aftermarket clutch,rising rate fuel pressure regulator and tested with the comptech supercharger STILL could not hit 13 flat. I am sorry but if i spend that amount of money (30k+) my car sure as hell better be more than FUN to drive after purchadse and thousands on aftermarket parts.

Viper has never and probably will never off the show roof floor handle better than a NSX drove both, no comparison AT ALL. The NSX is a nimble and balanced car like a scalpal. The Viper is a power house which CAN be controlled but after alot of practive. The Real Time NSX and Integra Type R have dominated the circuit and probably will for some time, I will also add that they are not super tuned by any means.

The B18a is the Honda torque motor, it makes substantially more "felt" power than my 4age and also those of my friends. The vtec cars in teh 3rd gen such as the b18c1 GS-R were tarketed for Japanese females who complained of the previous generations Torque. Marketing for the common folk is priority number one of a company not we tuners. Preludes and Integras sell more to ladies in Japan and so the ECU was tuned to make more power up top to suit this and get rid of the AMERICAN MUSCLE car feel of the b18a. Remeber american's had a dislike of small displacement turbo charged motors and opted for higher torque NA motors. This explains why the 240 sx has a ka24e or de in american and Japan got the ca18 or sr20det ALL ABOUT THE TARGET MARKET.

Now onto the argument Honda vrs Toyota. Honda is and always will be in America a commuter car. Great gas miliage, Toyota was designed on the other hand to be more of a sports car. In Japan where the b16a and a2 came in lighter chassis cars like the EF/EG they were a little more "sporty" than those in America.

Hybrid Honda cars (well at least what they are in america) like the EF18, Eg6 and Ek9 are what you need to compare. THESE are the cars that are made by true Honda enthusiast, these cars are the "rivals" of the AE and the Celica and Supra. Please do not compare D15-17 powered civics to cars like the Ae etc it is not fair. All the cars have draw backs and advantages in differant situations. I will say that Honda is the king of affrodable and "cheap" streetable cars as far as NA goes. I rank Toyota as the best of the boosted power houses of the streets. I mean how many other companies can say they have 1000hp streetable pump gas powered cars running the streets? (Nissan skyline and Mitsu gto (3000gt vr-4 in japan) but these are not the most dependable of companies and these cars have to be IPO converted before you can have them which means they will not be rated as high as 1000hp)

Honda has shown you what it wants and what they plan to do. They will continue to put out more powerful motors in the Japanese market while america gets the less powerful motors (this is why the 92-94 gs-r in japan had the b16a and the american car had the b17a1) Honda is making cars that are good from the factory, they are clean and efficient (honda already had to pay the us governement a large sum of money over the OBD emmissions problem of their late 80's early 90's cars and their lack of misfire control systems) Their cars will make less and less hp with aftermarket parts and the ECU codes will be harder and harder to crack and change IF changing them will even make you reliable streetable horse power. Toyota has and always will it seems make power house cars made for sports car enthusiast, can anyone say New Supra V8???? Honda=commuter (even when in a "sports car") Toyota=low level sports car

O.O thats alot of writing.. and well written too =)

p.s i edit the schools newspaper so i know whats good =)

I have to strongly disagree about honda being the strongest moddified street cars in the USA, Domestics are, honda has noting, NOTING that can make it run with a domestic, as a viper vs NSX, viper is a little more tricky to handle, but once mastered is a much better handling car then the nsx.

Inabj2, like wat u said... improving air flo does works for my Nissan but doesnt work that well fo my AE92..


I redirect he hose connecting the air filte near the grill and next to the fan.. the car rev quite fast... the good thing is...it's more patrol saving than ever..

i wonder how to improve my AE92?