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> Engine weight table, your engine's weight goes here.
s12drifter
  Posted: Mar 3 2013, 02:16 PM


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So, online i see a lot of different engine weights. but i have not seen a chart with different engines from all over. so if you consider doing a swap kinda like a mass general engine weight chart.

add and I will update the chart. if you know a engine weight post it and I'll add it, anything from ford, chevy, renualt, fiat etc. transmission weight's can be added too.

these are estimates or close weight it may be off 30-60 pounds not too bad. we assume most at FULL blocks but if it is not please make a note so it can be noted and added, we assume most are manual please state whether trans included is a auto.

if any of these engine weight's are wrong PLEASE PLEASE feel free to point it out and correct the list so we can have as close to a possible accurate list.

for those who are confused about weight into kg's use this.

for our use

long block = engine with intake, exhaust, turbo (if any), head, cams, bottom block crank, rods, pistons, etc, no A/C no P/S, oil pan

short block = block, crank rods and pistons, oil pan THATS IT!

full block, Intake, exhaust, cams, block, rods, pistons, turbo (if any), oil pan P/S, A/C, alternator, sensors, flywheel, dampener, coolant lines etc etc a drop in plug in motor pretty much.

there is some debate with the american V8 guys about long block = longer/ heaver, and short block = smaller engine. lets ignore that and go by this for now.

Nissan:

VG30ET: 420 lbs
VG30E - 390 lbs

VG30E with 71C 5 spd - 495 lbs
VG30E W/ T-5 - 500 lbs
VG30E W/ 30A - 510 lbs

VG30ET w/ 71C - 525 lbs
VG30ET W/ T-5 - 535 lbs
VG30ET W/ 30A - 545 lbs

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VG30DETT W/O 30A - 489 lbs
VG30DETT W/ 30A - 725 lbs
VG30DE W/O 30A - 550 lbs
VG30DE W/ 30A - 640 lbs
VG30DET W/ 30A - 589 lbs

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RB20DET w/ 71C 5spd - 550-580 lbs
RB20DET W/O trans - 450 lbs
RB20DE W/O trans - 400 lbs
RB20DE NEO W/O 71c -405lbs

RB25DET W/ 30A - 667 lbs
RB25DET W/O trans - 450 lbs
RB25DE W/O trans - 400lbs
RB25DET NEO W/30A - 550-600 lbs


RB26DETT W/O trans - 500ish lbs
RB26DETT W/ AWD 6 spd trans - 727 lbs

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CA18DET W/71C - 389 lbs
CA18DET W/O 71C - 282 lbs
CA18DE W/71C - 350 lbs
CA18ET W/O 71B - 260 lbs
CA18ET W/71B - 330 lbs
CA20E W/O 71B - 220 lbs

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SR20DET W/ 71C - 450 lbs
SR20DET W/O 71C - 366 LBS
SR20DE W/O 71C - 320 lbs

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KA24DE W/ 71c 5spd - 540 lbs
KA24DET W/ 71C - 580 lbs

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FJ20ET W/O trans - 366 lbs

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QR25DE W/O trans - 267 lbs

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L18S W/O trans - 260 lbs
L24S W/O trans - 389 lbs
L28S W/ trans - 540 lbs

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VQ35DE W/O trans - 330 lbs
VQ35DE W/ trans - 580 lbs
VQ30DE W/O trans - 330 lbs

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VH45DE W/O trans - 500.6 (no Flywheel, Starter, P/S pump AND bracketry, Alt AND bracketry, A/C pump and bracketry, VVT solenoids/actuators.)



notes: I know the SR has a 6 speed transmission but i cannot find weight of 6 speed transmission.

Toyota

1UZ-FE with R154: 486lbs
1UZ-FE with W58: 466lbs

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2JZ-GTE W/O trans - 594 lbs
2JZ-GTE W/6spd - 746lbs

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7M-GTE [no turbo no starter] - 456lb
7M-GTE W/ R154 - 640 lbs


Chevy

LS1 W/O trans - 500 lbs
LS2 W/O trans - 480 lbs
LS2 W/ trans - 509 lbs
LS3 W/O trans - 470 lbs
LS4 W/O trans - 478 lbs (does not include power steering pump, wiring harness, or computer)
LS6 W/O trans - 460 lbs
LS7 W/O trans - 440 lbs

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LT1 W/O trans - 525 lbs (no exhaust manifolds, alternator, PS or AC.)


BMW

S52us W/ trans - 512 lbs
S52us W/O trans - 406 lbs

Mazda

S4 13BT W/O trans - 376 lbs
S4 13B W/O trans - 337 lbs


Transmissions

Nissan:

FS5W71C: 5 speed found in the KA/CA/SR/RB/Na vg30E.

T-5 (FS5R90A): found in the 81-86 S130 turbo/Z31 turbo cars, 5 speed

FS5R30A found on RB25's/ VG30ET's [87-78] 5 speed

4N71B 4 speed auto Z31's

E4N71B (Heavy duty) 4 speed auto

F4W71A: found on a few datsuns

F4W71B: found on more datsuns

FS5W71B: nissan/datsun crossover period (only in america)

RS5R30A: found on a few trucks and Z32's

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Some of these are pretty surprising if true. Had no idea a 2JZ was that heavy.
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LOL wrong tab!!! but yes 2jz's are heavy! thats why im not swapping over to one :x

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I don't know numbers, but the transmissions in a DSM weigh about as much as the combined moons of Jupiter.
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I feel as though this would help supplement your list immensely

http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic....t=4299&start=45

About a dozen posts down

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"Nissan Maxim V6 3.0 264"

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Wonder if thats VG30E or VG30DE, thats freakin light
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QUOTE (Cactus @ 7 hours, 34 minutes ago)
I don't know numbers, but the transmissions in a DSM weigh about as much as the combined moons of Jupiter.

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QUOTE (Tygur @ 6 hours, 30 minutes ago)
"Nissan Maxim V6 3.0 264"

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Wonder if thats VG30E or VG30DE, thats freakin light

that is liiiiieeeee VG30's weigh a ton more then that. the crank and block alone is like 250 pounds. I need to go through that and comb out actual weights.

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Damn that's a strong man. Let's see him do the same to the other boxes with gears in them. I count three such devices on an evo, which is as many as four tens, and that's terrible.


I mean, there's a lot of weight between those, and it's not really weight you can afford to shed.
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i have a question...... is this loaded, pistions cams and all the bells and whistles on, or empty block?
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QUOTE (shadow55419 @ 1 minute, 5 seconds ago)
i have a question...... is this loaded, pistions cams and all the bells and whistles on, or empty block?


QUOTE (s12drifter @ Mar 3 2013, 06:16 PM)
we assume most are long blocks but if it is not please make a note so it can be noted and added, we assume most are manual please state whether trans included is a auto.


just as thought you bought it from a jdm importer. Intake exhaust, head cams, of course. why would they sell you a block with no rods crank or pistons then call it a long block?

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QUOTE (s12drifter @ 22 minutes, 24 seconds ago)
just as thought you bought it from a jdm importer. Intake exhaust, head cams, of course. why would they sell you a block with no rods crank or pistons then call it a long block?

they don't, by your definition its called a crate motor here tongue.gif you buy it and shove it under the hood.

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QUOTE (shadow55419 @ 7 minutes, 33 seconds ago)
they don't, by your definition its called a crate motor here tongue.gif you buy it and shove it under the hood.

Crate motors are exactly what you're talking about--buy it and put it under the hood.

Long blocks are the basic engine without the accessories (usually things like water pump, alternator, power steering, A/C, maybe oil pump, etc). Short blocks are what you were talking about before where it's the engine missing entire critical components.
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QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ Today, 1:20 AM)
Crate motors are exactly what you're talking about--buy it and put it under the hood.

Long blocks are the basic engine without the accessories (usually things like water pump, alternator, power steering, A/C, maybe oil pump, etc). Short blocks are what you were talking about before where it's the engine missing entire critical components.

Yes and no...

A shortblock still has the rotating assembly, it just lacks a head.

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QUOTE (Spaz @ 1 hour, 3 minutes ago)
Yes and no...

A shortblock still has the rotating assembly, it just lacks a head.

Having sold them, the terminology used, at least at the company I worked for, was:

Long Block - Complete engine, sometimes without valve covers, usually without all accessories

Short Block - Exactly as you stated, pretty much all of the bottom end

Crate Motor - An engine that has been somehow modified, includes everything that the long block does. In some rare cases, it is used for brand new factory engines.
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QUOTE (Tygur @ 1 hour, 36 minutes ago)
Crate Motor - An engine that has been somehow modified, includes everything that the long block does. In some rare cases, it is used for brand new factory engines.

Guess the crate motors I was looking at were that 'rare case'...

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If thats a stock engine, then yeah pretty much, according to where I worked. Crate engines were always brand new but generally had been tweaked by the factory. Most of the "rare case" engines were Ford or Chevy lol. Long block was used mostly for rebuilt engines as opposed to new, which is what pretty much everyone purchased. If anyone wanted a new engine, it was generally a modified one. So we barely sold stock spec crate engines, thats why it was a rare case. Again not my terminology, but the official terms for the company that I was working for.

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QUOTE (Tygur @ Yesterday, 1:08 AM)
"Nissan Maxim V6 3.0 264"

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Wonder if thats VG30E or VG30DE, thats freakin light

It's a VG30DE.
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Factory crate motors do very much exist.
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QUOTE (Chihiro @ Yesterday, 11:15 PM)
It's a VG30DE.

thats horse shit a VG30DE and E blocks are the same except flywheel bolt pattern and head bolt pattern, same rods crank and pistons.

i would guess thats a short block, theres no way it's a long block

updated: RB engine weights are off i cannot see why the rb26 would weight anymore then a 20. need to figure this out.

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rb25 without flywheel,cluch,starter,alternator+p.s pump on a pallet- 234kgs ... Most shops that ship out a complete RB26 average it out to 250kg for what that's worth (agrees with your numbers and fills that number for the 25). I don't care about swapping an RB20 into anything so I don't have those numbers.

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ka24 - 6000lbs (10kg)
b6 whatever - fifty three
13b - -80lbs
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QUOTE (s12drifter @ 8 hours, 22 minutes ago)
thats horse shit a VG30DE and E blocks are the same except flywheel bolt pattern and head bolt pattern, same rods crank and pistons.

i would guess thats a short block, theres no way it's a long block

Maybe its complete VG30DE with trans in kg. I keep forgetting the US is bass-ackwards in measurement units.

Either that or is just the block alone
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QUOTE (Tygur @ 9 minutes, 38 seconds ago)
Maybe its complete VG30DE with trans in kg. I keep forgetting the US is bass-ackwards in measurement units.

Either that or is just the block alone

NOW that makes sense! i wish the U.S would use KG

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updated list went with the most consistent numbers people were getting. if any errors please correct.

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