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> Coupe/Hatchback, What the hell?
Nomake Wan
  Posted: Nov 10 2005, 01:42 PM


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Okay, I've been debating with my roommate for a while now over naming schema. Here's what it's come down to:

My roomie owns a 2003 Ford Focus ZX-5. He gets pissed because I call it a wagon, since it's got 5 doors. Yes, I know there's a ZXW which most definitely is a wagon. He's tried to call his car a coupe, but then I told him that it wasn't, since coupes have two doors. But I also say that the ZX-3 is a hatchback, and that a coupe would be like a sedan (trunk, not hatch) but with 2 doors.

So here's the real meat of the question. What defines a hatchback? What defines a coupe? A wagon? Can a hatchback be a coupe as well?

I mean, I know that with the Toyota Corolla (specifically, the often-called Trueno/Levin that this forum seems to base itself around) has a hatchback and a coupe... the coupe has a trunklid and the hatchback has a hatch...

Yeah. It's way too confusing for me, and nobody here seems to know. Help!
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Posted: Nov 10 2005, 02:12 PM


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When I think of them, hatch, coupe, sedan, and wagon...

This is what I equate them with...

hatch: 2 doors, 1 hatch, no trunk
coupe: 2 doors, official trunk
wagon: 4 doors, 1 hatch, no trunk
sedan: 4 doors, official trunk

-TJ
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Posted: Nov 10 2005, 02:42 PM


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QUOTE ( Eloricth)
When I think of them, hatch, coupe, sedan, and wagon...

This is what I equate them with...

hatch: 2 doors, 1 hatch, no trunk
coupe: 2 doors, official trunk
wagon: 4 doors, 1 hatch, no trunk
sedan: 4 doors, official trunk

-TJ
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Posted: Nov 10 2005, 02:49 PM


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The separate term "hatchback" only seems applicable if there is a non-hatch version of the car (and hence the term "coupe"). The AE86 and S13 are perfect examples of this.

However ....... certain cars (i.e., the Z (I'm thinking specifically Z32 and Z33)) are hatchbacks, yet Nissan (and KBB) designates them as "coupes."
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Posted: Nov 10 2005, 04:29 PM


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Id consider the starion a hatch back, theres no "coupe" version of that. Rx7s come to mind, Crx, plenty of cars.

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QUOTE (sidewaysgts @ Today at 4:26 PM)
Id consider the starion a hatch back, theres no "coupe" version of that. Rx7s come to mind, Crx, plenty of cars.

Actually, I think the Mazda and KBB designation for the RX-7 as "coupe." *Shrug* You got me.
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Posted: Nov 10 2005, 05:32 PM


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QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ Today at 1:39 PM)

My roomie owns a 2003 Ford Focus ZX-5. He gets pissed because I call it a wagon, since it's got 5 doors. Yes, I know there's a ZXW which most definitely is a wagon. He's tried to call his car a coupe, but then I told him that it wasn't, since coupes have two doors. But I also say that the ZX-3 is a hatchback, and that a coupe would be like a sedan (trunk, not hatch) but with 2 doors.

So here's the real meat of the question. What defines a hatchback? What defines a coupe? A wagon? Can a hatchback be a coupe as well?

Well, I can tell you that with the Ford Focus, we can neglect the definition of coupes in you and your roomie's discussion, as coupes are strictly two-door cars...There is no Ford Focus coupe variant...

But here's where automotive definition gets a little weird...I'm just gonna limit myself to the ZX3/ZX5/ZXW...

It's obvious that the ZX3 (In example) is a hatchback, as it's a 3-door car with a rear hatch area (2 doors, plus a hatch, which is considered a door; In common sense terms, I really don't see how a hatch can be considered a door, since who really enters/exits a car through the hatch area?)...

And the Focus has a ZXW, 5-doors...Simple, right?

Technically, the difference between wagons and hatchbacks have to do with cargo area; Wagons usually have more cargo area, because of their squared-off designs (Whereas the ZX5 still retains the ZX3's rounded-off rear hatch)...So no matter if it's a 3 or a 5 door, cargo area is what generally classifies a car as one or the other...

And adding on that last statement, dimentions also play a factor too...The ZX5 can't be considered a wagon, because it's essentially the same size (And body style) as a ZX3, but with two more doors, whereas the ZXW is actually, physically longer...





...and I really hope my time wasn't wasted...I look over your post a second time, and see you're asking a general car question, and I itterated it as a Focus-specific question...

Meh :\
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No, that's okay. So, what would you consider the ZX-5 to be?

Also, thanks for the responses, everybody. ^-^
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Posted: Nov 10 2005, 06:22 PM


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I would consider the ZX5 to be a hatchback...As quirky as a 5-door hatchback sounds, it doesn't fit the physical criteria for a wagon..
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An automobile having a sloping back with a hinged rear door that opens upward.


I love dictionaries.
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Thanks for the replies, all! happy.gif
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Posted: Nov 10 2005, 07:52 PM


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QUOTE (Eloricth @ Today at 5:09 PM)
When I think of them, hatch, coupe, sedan, and wagon...

This is what I equate them with...

hatch: 2 doors, 1 hatch, no trunk
coupe: 2 doors, official trunk
wagon: 4 doors, 1 hatch, no trunk
sedan: 4 doors, official trunk

-TJ

Best explanation.

But here's a visual for those that need to associate images to words.

1. Hatchback
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2. Coupe
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3. Wagon
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4. Sedan
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Nomake, your friend owns a wagon. If he wont accept that, then sugar coat it and tell him that he has a "sports wagon" - much like how the EVO and WRX are known as "sports sedans".
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QUOTE (sidewaysgts @ Today at 7:44 PM)
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hatchback



I love dictionaries.

Oh, fine...Mr. Technical wants to get all simple on us, I see how things are... rolleyes.gif
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Posted: Nov 10 2005, 08:03 PM


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Despite being mr technical, i love simplicity wink2.gif We find simplicity through explination. No need to overcomplicate the simple.
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5-door = Wagon (hatch)
4-door = Sedan (trunk)
3-door = Hatchback (hatch)
2-door = Coupe (trunk)
1-door = Freak
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Posted: Nov 10 2005, 08:53 PM


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rx7 = fastback generally in the US. fast backs are like hatchbacks, but the hatch is not verticle. ie, the fox body mustangs and the ones from the 60's.

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An automobile designed with a curving downward slope from roof to rear.
that's from dictionary.com and even that is barely accurate. but the term has been around in the US for many decades.
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Posted: Nov 10 2005, 11:37 PM


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Ala 350z, g35 skyline. Ive never had a "Definition" for a fastback, its just the look. Essentialy tho- its still a hatch back,
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QUOTE (sidewaysgts @ Yesterday at 11:34 PM)
Essentialy tho- its still a hatch back,

technically, but the proliferation of 3 door sub compacts tends to call for a distinction.

they wouldn't, for example, call an FD a "hot hatch" over in britain.
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Straight from Webster's Dictionary:

Main Entry: hatch·back
Pronunciation: 'hach-"bak
Function: noun
: an automobile the back of which consists of a hatch that opens upward; also : the back itself

Main Entry: cou·pé
Variant(s): or coupe /kü-'pA, 2 often 'küp/
Function: noun
Etymology: French coupé, from past participle of couper to cut, strike
1 : a four-wheeled closed horse-drawn carriage for two persons inside with an outside seat for the driver in front
2 usually coupe : a 2-door automobile often seating only two persons; also : one with a tight-spaced rear seat -- compare

One entry found for station wagon.
Main Entry: station wagon
Function: noun
: an automobile that has a passenger compartment which extends to the back of the vehicle, that has no trunk, that has one or more rear seats which can be folded down to make space for light cargo, and that has a tailgate or liftgate

So a the same car can be a coupe, a hatchback, and a station wagon
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SUV = lifted wagon.
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Posted: Nov 11 2005, 03:47 PM


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QUOTE (Jabberwocky @ Today at 7:44 AM)
Straight from Webster's Dictionary:

Main Entry: hatch·back
Pronunciation: 'hach-"bak
Function: noun
: an automobile the back of which consists of a hatch that opens upward; also : the back itself

Main Entry: cou·pé
Variant(s): or coupe /kü-'pA, 2 often 'küp/
Function: noun
Etymology: French coupé, from past participle of couper to cut, strike
1 : a four-wheeled closed horse-drawn carriage for two persons inside with an outside seat for the driver in front
2 usually coupe : a 2-door automobile often seating only two persons; also : one with a tight-spaced rear seat -- compare

One entry found for station wagon.
Main Entry: station wagon
Function: noun
: an automobile that has a passenger compartment which extends to the back of the vehicle, that has no trunk, that has one or more rear seats which can be folded down to make space for light cargo, and that has a tailgate or liftgate

So a the same car can be a coupe, a hatchback, and a station wagon

Finally SOMEONE gets it right.

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Coupe:
2006 CLS500

I don't understand it.
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Can call my pencil a cat, its still a pencil, and thats still a sedan.
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Posted: Nov 11 2005, 06:32 PM


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69 Doors = HUMP back.
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The Grand National has two doors and is considered a sedan because of how it's platform is built.

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