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Nomake Wan | Posted: Apr 8 2011, 12:31 AM | ||
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Sensation!, it wasn't that the Beretta double-fed, it was that it failed to eject a spent cartridge one time. The one that kept misfeeding was the .45 USP... though it probably just needed some love to smooth out the action. It seemed like it occasionally had problems on the reload half of the slide motion. But yes, I was standing a good ways behind him when he was firing the Beretta and he still managed to hit me in the head with some of the casings. Guess that's why Death the Kid holds his upside-down in Soul Eater? LOL. Hopefully next week I'll be buying a 91/30 Mosin, which of course means I won't actually have the damn thing until almost two weeks later due to the stupid 10-day waiting period bullcrap. After that I'll save up for a P226, then... who knows. I'd love an SVD/NDM-86/Tigr but those are $3k+ no matter which way you go. Until then I guess attending gun shows? There's one in Ontario May 14-15 and I'm gonna try to hit that up as long as work lets me have the time off. | ||
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HorizontalMitsubishi | Posted: Apr 8 2011, 08:49 AM |
Part of the Tessou Signature Series Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,439 Member No.: 2,022 Joined: Jun 16th 2004 Location: Torrance California | so I'm guessing you guys went to the range again without me |
Nomake Wan | Posted: Apr 8 2011, 10:17 AM | ||
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Down here in Orange, yeah. Kinda spur of the moment. Next range visit will totally be back in LA though, I'll let you know. After all, the next rifle night down here won't be until the 21st...oh wait nuts, darn, I wouldn't be able to make that. Stupid 10-day waiting period. | ||
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am3pkcet | Posted: Apr 8 2011, 11:32 AM | ||
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If you ever want to make the trip down here, you're welcome to shoot as many rounds as you like through mine. | ||
JKaiba | Posted: Apr 8 2011, 01:07 PM | ||
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Makes me somewhat sad that just about all the stuff I still have around I can't take to a Los Angeles range . | ||
HorizontalMitsubishi | Posted: Apr 8 2011, 02:12 PM | ||
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what about Burro Canyon? | ||
Sensation! | Posted: Apr 9 2011, 04:27 AM |
As expected of country grown vegetables Group: Special Snowflake Posts: 2,330 Member No.: 19,520 Joined: Aug 14th 2006 Location: Redondo Beach, CA. | west coast meet thread? west coast meet thread. |
Nomake Wan | Posted: Apr 9 2011, 02:03 PM | ||
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Wait until after the 16th, dammit! | ||
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am3pkcet | Posted: Apr 11 2011, 11:19 AM | ||
IDASv3 > IDAS4 Group: Advanced Members Posts: 6,862 Member No.: 2,853 Joined: Aug 28th 2004 Location: San Diego, CA | Well I have a membership for the range by me down in San Diego. I can't help with range fees for others (only 10$ tho and no time limit), but do I get unlimited free rental of anything they have available (I just have to buy their ammo). They have dozens of pistols and a handful of shotguns and rifles. Might be a nice place to meet, even if it's down here. http://www.gotammo.com/frames/Rentals.htm PS: for N1, I know it's not a Draganov, but I stumbled onto this from youtube:
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am3pkcet | Posted: Apr 16 2011, 06:23 PM |
IDASv3 > IDAS4 Group: Advanced Members Posts: 6,862 Member No.: 2,853 Joined: Aug 28th 2004 Location: San Diego, CA | Went to the range today to work on some accuracy training based on some grouping charts I found online and also wanted to rent some .45s. I ended up doing OK with helping my accuracy, but I still shoot left most of the time. I am considering taking a marksmanship class or something because internet help is hit and miss. As for the rentals, I grabbed a Sig Sauer P220, which is almost identical to my 226, but has a narrower grip thanks to the single-stack 8-round magazine. I thought it shot wonderfully with minimal recoil and seemed to shoot more accurately than my still-pretty-new 226. There was a very large, round muzzle flash for every shot though. Didn't have an impact on slower shots, but definitely inhibits view for a brief moment. I was very pleased with it and almost regret not getting one over the 226. The other I rented was the Springfield XD45. I hate Glocks, but I wanted to try this other polymer body out because it has a lot of nice features on it. I had every intention of making this my next purchase if I liked it. It has visual and physical indicators for loaded chamber and gun cocked, has both grip and trigger safeties, and disassembles just about as easily as a Sig or Beretta (though on the non-M models, you need to dry fire it for take-down). It was decently accurate and felt good in the hands, but I just couldnt get past how violent of a kick it had. Being that its a lighter weight gun, there's less material to absorb the kick impact, which means all of that is translated to your arm. I didn't like how it felt when fired, though muzzle flash was considerably less. I want to like it because it fits my hand a lot better than a Glock, but also like a Glock, it has that unecessarily hard kick. |
MidnightViper88 | Posted: Apr 17 2011, 02:06 PM |
Ballistic heartbreak Group: Advanced Members Posts: 16,831 Member No.: 1,034 Joined: Nov 22nd 2003 Location: Richards Majestic, apartment 51 | Uhh...Question box time: What caliber was the P220 chambered in? |
am3pkcet | Posted: Apr 17 2011, 03:51 PM |
IDASv3 > IDAS4 Group: Advanced Members Posts: 6,862 Member No.: 2,853 Joined: Aug 28th 2004 Location: San Diego, CA | Does it come in anything other than 45ACP? Both were chambered for that. |
Nappy Hared Azn | Posted: Apr 17 2011, 04:47 PM |
Darling, won't you ease my worried mind? Group: Advanced Members Posts: 3,173 Member No.: 1,828 Joined: May 12th 2004 Location: The Glorious Democratic People's Republic of CA | I know it's definitely available in 9x19, although I'm sure there's others. |
am3pkcet | Posted: Apr 17 2011, 07:18 PM |
IDASv3 > IDAS4 Group: Advanced Members Posts: 6,862 Member No.: 2,853 Joined: Aug 28th 2004 Location: San Diego, CA | They must be older models; or had a conversion kit. It looks like on their site, they only have the standard .45 version or a .22LR plinker version. |
Nomake Wan | Posted: Apr 18 2011, 01:26 PM | ||
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Pretty dang sure the .22s are all conversion kits. | ||
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MidnightViper88 | Posted: Apr 18 2011, 07:32 PM | ||
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Yes, older models were also offered in 9mm Parabellum, but they're currently only manufactured in .45 ACP... Were both pistols loaded with the same cartridges? Like one wasn't an overpressure while the other was regular? I ask because I'm trying to figure out what the deal with the recoil is, because I'm not convinced that weight makes too much of a difference...Physics plays a role, yes, because a heavier gun acts more under the influence of gravity...But just the same is action-reaction; Whatever kick the gun gives off, your arm is going to give right back to the gun, and no matter the weight of the pistol or perception of recoil, your body is still the same place that energy is going to transfer to...If anything, while weight may help absorb some of the recoil, it's also more mass that's being thrown around as well... Proper stance and grip when it comes to pistols is everything...Well, stance if you want accuracy, anyway; Grip, if you want good control...Some people tend to hold a lighter grip for a lighter pistol, all things equal and various calibers notwithstanding, mainly because of the involuntary need to to use muscle energy relative to the weight of the pistol...If you let up on your grip, you're going to let the recoil kick around even more...So while you don't want to choke the shit out of it like you're crushing someone's trachea, it's also better to just mind your strength...It shouldn't take away from personal preference, though; A comfortable position works better for a person than something that feels awkward by reaction... There's a proper way to hold a pistol that can help control recoil that's not dependent on strength that will also help with precision (Precision, not accuracy; If you're good with accuracy but can't group your shots close, it's not going to help much), but it's not something that I could easily explain, and not something I can arse myself to find a photo reference of...It would definitely help you out though, to reduce the dramatic differences between different pistols of the same caliber... When I was in Albuquerque last year, I went with two of my uncles and my cousin out to an indoor shooting range with some rented guns...My cousin had a Taurus .22 LR revolver, I had a Ruger Mark III .22 LR pistol, and one of my uncles rented himself a Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm...This was actually my first time firing off a real firearm, so I was able to get used to the Ruger pretty quickly; I had decent accuracy every magazine, but my precision trended off to one side because my grip didn't account for a change in sideways recoil (Yes, the recoil kicks back and up, but if you don't mind yourself, your hand can go off in another direction, either at the moment when you pull the trigger or when you regroup for a follow-up shot in rapid succession)...My experience with the Taurus revolver wasn't that different either; Different gun, but I was able to treat it the same... But the M&P was a different beast...I only shot off less than a mag's worth of rounds, and yes, a 9mm is a pretty big step-up from a .22 LR... So while I braced myself for the caliber difference, I let that thing buck around because, surprisingly, the weight itself threw off my perception...While compared to the Ruger it was a bigger gun, it really wasn't as heavy as I thought it would be because of it's polymer frame...That was a naive of my muscle memory... If I had more time with it, I'm sure I would have adapted my grip to shoot better with it... https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=39...0entry1157864 Those are the pictures that were taken of me, and that's actually my sheet in the background...From what you can see, the center target is with the Taurus revolver, the bottom-right corner with the M&P, all others with the Ruger pistol... Experience definitely helps, though...Even in that short period, I grew pretty well with the Mark III...I'm sure that a year later, even with the Mark III, I could shoot even better with it, and with the M&P, I wouldn't be such a damn noob... Oh well...I'm a rifle person anyway... | ||
am3pkcet | Posted: Apr 18 2011, 10:27 PM |
IDASv3 > IDAS4 Group: Advanced Members Posts: 6,862 Member No.: 2,853 Joined: Aug 28th 2004 Location: San Diego, CA | TBH, it really doesn't have to do with control, and I was at least as accurate (if not more) with the XD45. Same box of ammo for both. What I didn't like were the characteristics of how it felt when shooting. It felt like all the force was centered in a single area of the grip instead of spread out (in addition to being stronger). I don't know how to describe it otherwise, but I'm still pretty new to actually trying to structure my shooting. If you have links to specific advice, I'd love it as info online has been hit and miss. I came across this which helped somewhat, but if there's like a breakdown how-to for stance, trigger control, holding, etc. I'd love to see it. So far, I've only picked up what friends who have gone through minimal training courses have shown me. I'm thinking just taking a training course hands-on for better fine-tuning. |
MidnightViper88 | Posted: Apr 19 2011, 11:25 AM |
Ballistic heartbreak Group: Advanced Members Posts: 16,831 Member No.: 1,034 Joined: Nov 22nd 2003 Location: Richards Majestic, apartment 51 | If you can get some hands-on experience from a trainer, then you'll learn the ropes a lot quicker...Not that learning things from resources and teaching yourself is wrong, which is usually the path I take when taking up things, but it's a lot slower of a process, and it's not an easy thing to share with others either... The only other tip I can give is just practice and practice some more...Take advantage of that all-access pass you have and mind yourself when you shoot...You know, get accustomed to how things feel, pay attention to muscle memory, focus on your peripheral acuity...A lot of things that can be formally taught to someone can be intuitively picked up on through repetitive practice, so if you ever do take lessons, you'll already know something, and you can build upon being more right with your shooting... What kind of shooting are you going for anyway? Are you just wanting to do straight-forward ranged marksman type stuff, or would you ever want to carry it into practical applications? |
am3pkcet | Posted: Apr 19 2011, 11:50 AM | ||
IDASv3 > IDAS4 Group: Advanced Members Posts: 6,862 Member No.: 2,853 Joined: Aug 28th 2004 Location: San Diego, CA | It's almost impossible to get a ccw in CA if you aren't military, law enforcement, or private security (unless someone knows otherwise) so I'm not terribly concerned with carrying. I'm leaning most toward recreation, marksmanship, and to a lesser degree home defense. Edit: I found a video that was monumentally useful so far:
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sideways | Posted: Apr 19 2011, 06:51 PM |
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am3pkcet | Posted: Apr 21 2011, 04:13 PM |
IDASv3 > IDAS4 Group: Advanced Members Posts: 6,862 Member No.: 2,853 Joined: Aug 28th 2004 Location: San Diego, CA | Well through a series of interesting events (my friend finally paying me back for a Vegas trip and getting refunded for a back-ordered item that will never come), I have about $600 extra cash laying around. So I think I'll pick up another pistol while I'm at it Choices choices.......! |
Nomake Wan | Posted: Apr 21 2011, 09:21 PM | ||
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Buy me a West German P226! They're only $400! | ||
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am3pkcet | Posted: Apr 21 2011, 11:45 PM |
IDASv3 > IDAS4 Group: Advanced Members Posts: 6,862 Member No.: 2,853 Joined: Aug 28th 2004 Location: San Diego, CA | Haha, I'll get right on that. I'm torn with what direction I want to go in: Beretta 92FS/92A1/M9/M9A1: I love berettas, always have, and will definitely own one some day. It's another 9mm, which means not having to buy separate ammo, but no additional big bang or stopping power. Springfield XDM45: High tech new polymer pistol with a lot of nice safety and useful features. Packs a good punch, but need to buy separate ammo. Looks cool, performs well, is something different and is a good alternative to Glocks, which I hate. It would take some getting used to the gun's feel and characteristics. Sig Sauer P220: Smooth, accurate shooting, already familiar with design/handling, same features as 226 but with bigger bang with the .45ACP. Also feels excellent in hands with slimmer single-stack mag. Fewer rounds per mag than XDM (8 vs 10) and feels redundant already owning a Sig. Will probably own one at some time, but looking for something "different" right now. I may screw myself even more by renting some more things next time I go out; but these unlimited rentals are quite nice. I wish they had the XDM model Springfield though; last time I went they only had the XD45 and XD45 Tactical, no XDM. Sigh... its ironic that this hobby still isn't as expensive as photography. At least not yet..... |
Nomake Wan | Posted: Apr 22 2011, 05:54 AM | ||
ShiMACHaze Group: Advanced Members Posts: 19,542 Member No.: 5,394 Joined: Feb 5th 2005 Location: Drydock | I'm a Sig kinda guy myself, so my vote would be on the 220. If you were going to go 45ACP anyway, why not? That and I'm not a big Beretta fan. Anyway forgot to post this up yesterday night, derp. Went out to the range yet again (third time in a month?) with Sensation! and Pikachu_Fragger this time. Ended up firing quite a few guns. Sensation! and Pikachu_Fragger messed around with a 9mm USP, we rented an AR-15 (not a big fan, can't say I like that gun much after firing it), and I closed the night by firing a 9mm 226, something I do every time I go. I really do like the feel, and though I'm not yet getting the best groups from it, I still prefer it. After all, my best groups come from guns I would never own because of impracticality, such as the 500S&W I just had to rent. Here were the first five rounds. I got 12 rounds of ammo thinking the gun held 6, but it held 5. Pikachu_Fragger ended up firing two rounds out of it before giving up though so it worked out. Range on the shots was 25 feet. Image size reduced, original size: 1195 x 1600. Click here to view the image in its original dimension. Second five shots weren't as good, mostly because I was rushing. I still hit center of mass just fine, but the grouping wasn't nearly as solid as the first five.
Fun gun, way impractical, way expensive, and way expensive ammo. Another one of those "I'd never own it but I'd love to know someone who does" things. In other news, I picked up a Mosin Nagant finally, now just waiting on the DROS and waiting period BS to clear up so I can take it home. Burro Canyon anyone? This post has been edited by Nomake Wan on Apr 22 2011, 05:56 AM | ||
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am3pkcet | Posted: Apr 22 2011, 03:00 PM |
IDASv3 > IDAS4 Group: Advanced Members Posts: 6,862 Member No.: 2,853 Joined: Aug 28th 2004 Location: San Diego, CA | Damn good shootin with that 500! I went out again today for a number of reasons. I wanted to do some more testing with potential purchases, but also some night crew guys from my work were military and had some fun stuff they wanted to share. He brought out his Mosin Nagant (lol at you getting one, small world) and that thing shot like a champ. It was an original one from WWII and was pretty beat up, but shot straight as an arrow. The bolt was a little strange to operate and was super stiff though. It shot some massive 7.62x54 rounds that were a bit more powerful than what I was used to shooting. Fun though. He also had with him a Benelli shotgun that I'm sure would be illegal for any CA civilian to have (front and rear pistol grips, folding stock, etc) but man that thing was ridiculous. He had slugs and bird shot, neither of which were pleasant for me to shoot. It could be because his folding stock had a tiny plastic butt on it, but it just felt like Chuck Norris roundhousing my shoulder with every pull. As far as my own stuff, I had my Sig, and he showed me some military techniques for stance, holding it, trigger control, and speed reloading. So that was pretty cool. I think I would like to modify the trigger though. Sig makes a short reset option, which I would much like. There is a lot of travel before it actually fires and I think that's what's messing with my accuracy the most. I equate it to driving my friends '01 Mustang compared to my tC. His clutch grabs waaayyy high up whereas mine grabs almost right off the floor. I found out some bad news about the Springfield XDM though.... apparently they are not legal for sale in CA... so... that kind of throws that option out. I still kind of like the standard XD, but little things about the XDM drew me there instead. So rather than mope about it, I rented another Beretta 92FS and remembered why I loved it. Great groupings from ~10yds with good accuracy and still felt very good in the hands; I think this will be my next purchase. I almost walked over and bought one right then and there, but I want to sleep on it and go back in a day or two to see if I still feel that way. They had both an M9 and 92FS available in stock at the exact same price. The guy behind the counter said the only real difference is that the 92FS has 3-dot sights and is made in Italy while the M9 has a single thick verticle line on the rear sight and is made in the US for military; each with engraved trademarks showing such. Between the two, I like a 3-dot system better. If there are no other mechanical differences, I'll likely be picking up the 92FS. |
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