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> IDAS8∞What is BA?
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  Posted: Oct 26 2014, 02:51 AM


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I saw a thread which have something like BA, what does it mean?????
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Posted: Oct 26 2014, 03:12 AM


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I'm not sure if it's appropriate to create another thread like this; there might be answers to your questions on the fundamentals somewhere in this thread here: https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=47184&st=375

anyway, regarding BA, apparently it stands for Brake Acceleration. it's not really an official term. having say that, I would recommend using the term BC instead to prevent any unnecessary confusion. laugh2.gif
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^The thing about the term BC (Brake Cancel) is that I'm under the impression from the way it's used in D6 and D7 that it's meant for "release accel, tap brake, press accel",

BA (Brake Accel) when I first casually mentioned it the first time was referring to the technique of "holding the brake with your left foot while tapping accel with your right foot repeatedly" and it was in reply to a specific video being posted. Unlike Brake Cancel, there are moments where both brake and accel are pressed at the same moment.

From what I've observed in videos, both techniques are still used in D8 and are required to tackle different type of corners and courses. I don't think this technique was used in D6 and D7 though I heard that it was a drifting technique in D5.

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tapping on the gas while holding your brakes somewhat cancels the brake too. and regarding that, I was once chatting with my friends, and they said since in this version most people are spamming the gas now, shouldn't we call it BCCCC? laugh2.gif
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Oh...thanks btw, but is this technic useful before full spec? Cuz mine is just spec 4.

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You're right that it's also brake canceling in a way, but because it's a separate technique and sequence, it's probably a good idea to have a seperate term so we'll know what is what in discussions.

Despite me making jokes about coining the term (and having the internet thrown at me as a consequence........I am still scarred by that incident), it personally doesn't matter to me that much what it's called as long as we have a name for this specific technique. Kinda like how Eraser refers to spamming the gears up and down.



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QUOTE (SonicSP @ 34 minutes, 17 seconds ago)
You're right that it's also brake canceling in a way, but because it's a separate technique and sequence, it's probably a good idea to have a seperate term so we'll know what is what in discussions.

Despite me making jokes about coining the term (and having the internet thrown at me as a consequence........I am still scarred by that incident), it personally doesn't matter to me that much what it's called as long as we have a name for this specific technique. Kinda like how Eraser refers to spamming the gears up and down.

Wait... spamming gears... isnt it tst?
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In the forums it's always called Eraser but I'm not sure what came form where. It could be a US thing for all I know since I wasn't around in the D3 days.

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TST I believe was eraser, and feinting into a turn in V3. Something about it originating from a chinese term.

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QUOTE ((Sean)Lau Yu Xuan @ 2 hours, 39 minutes ago)
Oh...thanks btw, but is this technic useful before full spec? Cuz mine is just spec 4.

It's mostly useful only after Full Spec but I think there may be moments where you'll need it before that.

The thing is, up until maybe one or two boxes before Full Spec you'll still lose speed when you steer so that adds to your cornering strategies. Once you're Full Spec, you'll have to manage your speed yourself than relying on the speed loss caused by the steering. The physics of the game before and after Full Spec are very different.

It would be needed sooner or later though so you may want to practice it in any case.
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QUOTE (dummyinthecity @ 6 hours, 39 minutes ago)
Wait... spamming gears... isnt it tst?

Chiming in real quick. Eraser was the technique name for changing to a lower gear then back to the original gear quickly, before entering the turn, which helped slide the car more and corner at faster speeds. TST was the name for a more advanced technique that utilized Eraser, where you would Eraser towards the turn much earlier than normal, then slide back the other direction maintaining the slide angle from the Eraser, then Eraser again closer to the turn and gain even more turning angle and slide, allowing even faster cornering speeds than plain Eraser. The number of Erasers used and Erasers used in TST varies from car to course to corner and so on. I can show a video for example.

YOUTUBE ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nBA53OTe9o )


The first turn at 0:44 utilizes TST, the second turn at 0:57 utilizes a simple eraser. The R34 is a heavy, grippy car that turns like a boat, so it needs many more eraser than most cars. Cars that slide more needs less.

HOWEVER ALL OF THIS IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT since these techniques don't exist in ID8. I just felt like sharing some knowledge haha.

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QUOTE (SonicSP @ 7 hours, 28 minutes ago)
Despite me making jokes about coining the term (and having the internet thrown at me as a consequence........I am still scarred by that incident)

Oh you better be scared SonicSP, you better be. unamused.gif unamused.gif

Anyway what everyone said is true. I found BA useful on Myogi during the consecutive turns, keeps speed and helps the turning.
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QUOTE (SonicSP @ Yesterday, 6:57 AM)
It's mostly useful only after Full Spec but I think there may be moments where you'll need it before that.

The thing is, up until maybe one or two boxes before Full Spec you'll still lose speed when you steer so that adds to your cornering strategies. Once you're Full Spec, you'll have to manage your speed yourself than relying on the speed loss caused by the steering. The physics of the game before and after Full Spec are very different.

It would be needed sooner or later though so you may want to practice it in any case.

Thanks a lot.

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QUOTE (DigiBunny @ Oct 26 2014, 08:10 AM)
TST I believe was eraser, and feinting into a turn in V3. Something about it originating from a chinese term.

Eraser was the shifting part by itself (spamming the shifter)

TST was the back and forth turning + Eraser to execute a physics glitch thing.