Initial D World - Discussion Board / Forums
   
Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )Resend Validation Email

DJ Panel ( Server Stats )   Song History   Initial D World Chat Room (Discord)   Broadband Stream
RADIO BROADCAST » streaming at 96kbps with 10 unique listeners, playing Dave Simon - I Need Your Love

       

  Important Rules
1 2 3 4
Initial D Latest News
  • Initial D Fifth Stage has ended with 14 episodes. [confirmed]
  • A theatrical version of Initial D is confirmed for release in August 2014. [Official Thread]
  • UPDATES : Animax has confirmed that Final Stage will be available on its subscription-based VOD (Video On Demand) service starting May 16th, 2014. It will continue where Fifth Stage left off. Consist of a total of four episodes, Final Stage will be focusing on the long-awaited final 86 vs 86 battle between Takumi and Shinji. [confirmed]
  • UPDATES : Avex has confirmed that the New Initial D The Movie will be a trilogy. First part of the trilogy is called Legend 1 -Awakening- slated for release in theaters on August 23rd, 2014 (Japan Only) [confirmed]

Please Follow These Rules
  • Please use the spoiler tag when posting content not yet covered by anime. Violator will be issued an actual warning.
  • Please take the time to read the forums description before you start a topic. Starting topic(s) in the wrong section may result in an actual warning.
  • Use the Search function before you start a new topic. Posting a duplicated thread may earn yourself a verbal warning.
  • Read the Pinned threads before starting a new topic. Posting thread(s) about question(s) already answered in Pinned threads will result in an actual warning.

FORUM MODERATOR : FORUM MODERATOR

4 Pages  1 2 3 4  ( Go to first unread post )

Views: 22,291  ·  Replies: 99 
> What's your thoughts on 'Fujiwara Zone'?
Banken
Posted: Feb 13 2013, 10:33 PM


IDW Goldmember
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,110
Member No.: 22,465
Joined: Dec 17th 2006
Location: Japan





The last episode of anime made it make more sense, because it could be explained that
SPOILER
Metamorphic
Posted: Feb 16 2013, 02:30 AM


Otaku Down Under- www.otakudownunder.blogspot.com
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 2,373
Member No.: 4,338
Joined: Nov 18th 2004
Location: Update Profile





the exhaust of the 86 is laced with neurotoxins.... the toxins are sucked through the opponents air conditioning and/or turbo chargers and after a decent amount of exposure the opponent sees some serious trippy sh*t that my friends is the Fujiwara zone
THE_HONDA_CG2
Posted: Feb 17 2013, 09:04 PM


Patient Zero
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 4,273
Member No.: 37,947
Joined: Oct 1st 2011
Location: Update Profile





QUOTE (Metamorphic @ Yesterday, 3:30 AM)
the exhaust of the 86 is laced with neurotoxins.... the toxins are sucked through the opponents air conditioning and/or turbo chargers and after a decent amount of exposure the opponent sees some serious trippy sh*t that my friends is the Fujiwara zone

And this my friends... Is the answer. Everything makes sense now! We all know Takumi's secret! laugh2.gif

[ Post made via Mobile Device ]
matter1387
Posted: Mar 16 2013, 08:42 PM


IDW Jr. Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 52
Member No.: 40,757
Joined: Mar 9th 2013
Location: seattle, washington





QUOTE (TruNinja619 @ Jan 27 2013, 02:30 AM)
I tried searching for this topic, but couldn't find it.

IMO, i think it's his adaptability to the race environment/conditions in real time and able to make the adjustments on-the-fly to beat out his opponents/capitalize on their mistakes.

Thoughts?

It is something that he can do because of how long he has been driving in the touge racing style. Drift 1000 corners, you are pretty much 1000x better than you were the first time you did it. After long enough you completely realize how to do something better in the process of doing it. Like imagine its like sword fighting, you have battled so much, and trained so much, that now instead of just attack and defend, you can start the motion of an attack or defense, then in mid motion, switch it into something else than planned to make it the best possible outcome for you, like realizing during a defense move your opponent has an opening and dodging and attacking that instead of of just a block like you had originally thought.

This all comes with the ability to break the action you are doing down into something that you can see in some sort of a slow motion would be the best way to describe it. Analyzing how you are doing basically and then adjusting accordingly. He can take a corner, and start off and then realize that at a certain point, he can alter something to exit it faster. It is something that comes with a lot of practice on one certain talent. Like tennis players are really good, and can see where the ball is heading just after the opponent has rallied it back to them, before it has even moved more than 1 foot in the air towards them. You gain the ability to just know.

Takumi has an even better sense of this, because of the water cup that was placed in his car all those years of delivering / training. Because he had to to pay attention to the cup as well as his driving, he learned that to not spill it at all, he had to make those little adjustments and that ultimately had the effect of creating this ability that only he, and Bunta, or anyone else who has that ability to not spill the water. Which leads to an amazing sense of concentration, sense of surroundings, sense of how the car is moving, and also realizing the center of you cars gravity and manipulating it.

My theory.

Seri
Posted: Mar 17 2013, 03:30 AM


Amaki Sally
Group Icon

Group: FORUM MODERATOR
Posts: 1,890
Member No.: 40,610
Joined: Feb 21st 2013
Location: Showroom





...I take back what I said in that other thread. Not like it matters. This blows my theory (not posted) out of the water.

[ Post made via Mobile Device ]
Proud Contributor of Initial D World Forums
matter1387
Posted: Mar 17 2013, 04:15 AM


IDW Jr. Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 52
Member No.: 40,757
Joined: Mar 9th 2013
Location: seattle, washington





QUOTE (KyoukoFD3S @ 45 minutes, 40 seconds ago)
...I take back what I said in that other thread. Not like it matters. This blows my theory (not posted) out of the water.

like, in a bad or good way. let me know if it doesnt make sense or I am dumb plz



Also, how it is completely awkward to the drivers behind him, seeing something like what we see in the anime, can be explained like this.

Night time driving and only seeing what your headlights, and streetlights (how many streetlights are even on a mountain pass like those) see, something like a car speeding out of your lights field of vision, could look a bit awkward at high speeds. This probably makes it look like hes going much faster, because to them, they probably only see the taillights and a peripheral vision of what the car in front is illuminating with its headlights. Darkness plus moving lights at high speeds plus having to focus immensely hard on not crashing and being burned alive or smooshed, probably makes things that don't seem right to begin with(getting to that), look even more fucked up.

The reason it looks like he is driving a 4wd is most likely because of the slight adjustments he can make, which i explained in my last post which is that way ^^,
adding all of the factors that make it look hella weird I just explained. All adding into the person who is viewing perception of the car performing way different compared to what they think it is capable of. All of this and really only seeing the headlights and tail lights, and their eyes adjusting to the breaklights going off as the car accelerates and the brakes are released, giving it illusions of stability and more speed. Which can be confused as 4WD or holy fucking shit balls.

I really like how I get to use my lighting design and stageworking practices in an anime / manga series' message board.... Now if I can just learn correct grammar and english I will be set. derp.gif derp.gif

This post has been edited by matter1387 on Mar 17 2013, 04:26 AM
HyperSonic
Posted: Mar 17 2013, 06:06 AM


IDW Regular Member
********

Group: Members
Posts: 246
Member No.: 38,471
Joined: Mar 22nd 2012
Location: Quezon City, Philippines





About the illusion of the Fujiwara zone, it can be seen by the opposing driver. Theoretically, what if Takumi performs it in a corner with a decent amount of gallery/viewers, will they also see the illusion of the fujiwara zone??? confused.gif
matter1387
Posted: Mar 17 2013, 06:39 AM


IDW Jr. Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 52
Member No.: 40,757
Joined: Mar 9th 2013
Location: seattle, washington





QUOTE (HyperSonic @ 32 minutes, 42 seconds ago)
About the illusion of the Fujiwara zone, it can be seen by the opposing driver. Theoretically, what if Takumi performs it in a corner with a decent amount of gallery/viewers, will they also see the illusion of the fujiwara zone??? confused.gif

take a flashlight, and move the light in front of someone in a room of complete darkness. Then, take another light, and have it fixed onto where you are holding the flashlight your first had, and move it into the dark. Once it moves into the dark it starts to have a small trailing effect. Which looks very odd if the flashlight's light actually is illuminating a very specific area with a hard ring, in which it goes from full light to complete darkness, but even more strange if the light has a bright center, and then fades as you move away. This is what the gallery would see if the opponent was following Takumi, coupled with his already intense driving skill in which they all jizz their pants and someone elses as well. Also the speed already in place would probably make the effect make way more jizz-in-random-place-tastic. And if you were to somehow be racing uphill, while the battle downhill is going on and catch them at the right moment, and see this effect happen. It would be like holy fucking shitballs batman.

Now, if keisuke did his Spring Dash, or as I like to call it, Kenyan Sprint, uphill and seeing this effect, it would most likely end up like this.

user posted image
Image size reduced, original size: 750 x 600. Click here to view the image in its original dimension.



Jhaqastar
Posted: Mar 25 2013, 12:52 PM


IDW Member
**

Group: Members
Posts: 15
Member No.: 40,716
Joined: Mar 6th 2013
Location: Update Profile





First of all... Hi, I'm new tongue.gif. Anyway!

This series has been my racing bible as far as I can remember! I remember going in track days and a few touge runs, then I watch the series again and suddenly learn new things. It's a long shot, but I would like to believe Initial D is realistic as far as the concepts and stuff. So I'll give this theory busting a shot tongue.gif.

Fujiwara Zone. What we have so far.

1. In the eyes of the enemy
2. An unexpected burst of speed
3. was said to rival 4wd

And the blurs happen at the exits right? Well at least that's what I remember (please correct me if I'm wrong). I think Fujiwara Zone focuses on corner exit, at the point where cornering forces forces transitions to acceleration forces. But i guess if it involves that then it also involves braking forces transitioning to cornering forces because if Takumi can do the corner to exit transition, he could do the braking to cornering as well.

A little background on what I believe to be is the fastest line. Enter the corner, over speed a taaaaaaad bit, get into an oversteer, but not really a drift (I call it angle of attack. Basically it's the zero counter steer method where the car is turning but your steering wheel is dead center) to carry as much speed as you can through the corner, then, as you squeeze the throttle for the exit, you only put as much throttle to rotate the car to keep it turning, but as the same time, you transition the tires form cornering to exiting. Then once you reach 100% throttle, the tires could already support it 100%. I'll explain further later.

I think Fujiwara zone focuses on how Takumi really knows the 86 like the back of his hand. He could pin point exactly what the tires are doing, and transition them from one task to another and waste 0 of the tires potential.

farnorthracing.com/images/gripcircle.jpg
I can't post links yet but that's the visual aid I wanted to show/ rolleyes.gif

I'm sure you guys have heard of the traction circle. Basically, the outer circle is the absolute limit of the car (note I didn't say tires). Any more than that, and the car won't turn or brake or accelerate. I didn't say it's the limit of the tires because you can be oversteering and still be in the circle. An example would be when you're in a drift, but you are technically understeering because your car washing out of the course. To put into perspective what I said above, technically, to get the fastest time, you need to always be on that limit of the traction circle. Think of the G-ball. You need to trace that circle with the G-ball. When you brake, the ball hits the upper line. Then when you corner, the ball hits the limit on the side,. When you accelerate, the ball hits the lower side.

The basics of racing will teach you this:
Brake 100% Then 0% and let the car settle
Corner 100% Then back to 0%
Then 100% throttle

But ideally once you graduate from the basics:
Brake Corner
100% 0%
99% 1%
98% 2%
97% 3%
... ...
3% 97%
2% 98%
1% 99%
0% 100%

And it's the same for cornering transitioning to accel. I think even pros have a hard time doing the transition that smoothly. Like there might be a time where he's baking at 50% but is only cornering at 40% or something (not real figures) so he lost 10% of the tires potential that could have carried him more speed on the corner and/or enabled him to get a faster exit speed.

So back to the Fujiwara Zone. I think Takumi has the ability to trace that outer line better than most people could. And the proof lies in the Tofu.

SPOILER


Scenario (Note I believe that the following figures are exaggerated):
Takumi and his opponent is about to exit the corner, his opponent thinks, to the best of his senses and abilities that he is tracing the traction circle. But really, while he is unwinding from the turn, he was 50% turning and 30% accelerating while Takumi, knowing the 86 so well, is 50% turning, 50% accelerating. So on that specific instance Takumi is accelerating for the main straight 20% harder than his opponent. (But I think in reality the discrepancy is smaller but happens rapidly in the microseconds that they are in that corner).

To his opponent, it is impossible to accelerate any harder at the current situation they are in... But Takumi did! So for them, it's an unexpected burst of speed that literally came out of nowhere (or rather, outside of their comprehension since they genuinely believe that they too are at the limit of the traction circle). Hence, the teleportation effect! Voila! Fujiwara Zone!

That's why the opponents tend to get confused and say "does that 86 have 4wd" since the only way they can imagine Takumi exiting a corner at the fashion he was was for Takumi to have 4wd. (note... It's a pet peeve of mine that most people believe that 4wd gives you magical cornering ability that exceeds 2wd... Um... No... What 4wd does is give you magical abilities when exiting a corner. And it's not even magical tongue.gif. Imagine trying to put down 600hp with only 2 tires, that's 300hp per tire, compared to putting down the same power with 4 tires, 150hp per tire.)

Whoa that was long happy.gif . I hope I made sense unsure.gif


Oh, as for the gallery seeing the "teleportaiton," I believe people who really race and understand would see it. But for the regular gallery, they won't. The'll just see the 86 going really fast! Drivers who really battle understand when his opponent is pulling away from him, even if the distance of the cars does not seem to be widening for the people who never experienced it before. I experienced it on my first grid race, battling for first, I could see my opponent in front pull away slightly, but then I gain again in certain ares. For the spectators, they think that we're just keeping a certain distance. But as for my friends who were watching (they also are racing nuts), they see the areas where I pull up and where I get left behind. It's the same when you watch racing and you can tell that a certain car is slightly oversteering while cornering and he's using it to corner faster. Most people won't notice that and consider the car to just be grip driving.

SPOILER
Ahmed1993
Posted: Mar 28 2013, 11:46 AM


IDW Jr. Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 51
Member No.: 38,894
Joined: Aug 18th 2012
Location: Update Profile





Man, that the best explanation so far.
Thanks Jhaqastar for enlightening me. smile.gif
Takahashi Rensuki
Posted: Mar 28 2013, 01:15 PM


IDW God Member
*******

Group: Members
Posts: 173
Member No.: 40,927
Joined: Mar 24th 2013
Location: Malaysia





Now thats a detailed explanation. laugh2.gif
Nezat101
Posted: Mar 28 2013, 04:44 PM


Request Title - PM Mods
**********

Group: Members
Posts: 340
Member No.: 23,826
Joined: Mar 31st 2007
Location: Update Profile





I believe if it was something that wasn't bullshit the they wouldn't have people explaining it as something that doesnt make sense but happens anyway and cant be explained in any kind of logical terms...i think
Takahashi Rensuke
Posted: Mar 28 2013, 06:32 PM


The Blue Lightning
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,141
Member No.: 36,245
Joined: Sep 5th 2010
Location: Akagi, Gunma, Japan





I believe you need to be an automotive expert to understand Jhaqastar's post because I have absolutely no idea what I have just read..........
Filphil
Posted: Mar 29 2013, 03:35 PM


IDW God Member
*******

Group: Members
Posts: 185
Member No.: 2,699
Joined: Aug 19th 2004
Location: Update Profile





Quick read I can gather he means that Takumi is able to use the tires at 100% efficiency when in the zone.
Glocker
Posted: Mar 30 2013, 12:17 AM


IDW Expert Member
******

Group: Members
Posts: 143
Member No.: 25,591
Joined: Jul 31st 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia





Have you guys ever driven/chased an AWD or go on touge runs? I have, and the sudden burst of acceleration mid corner is something RWD/FWD/MR cars can only dream of. It all boils down to available traction and point of acceleration, and guess what, anyone on this forum can do it if a) you have the balls and skills or cool.gif a good tail happy AWD i.e. GTRs and Evos.

Just planting your foot down much earlier than your opponent mid corner while using all of the available traction will make your AWD/car look like Fujiwara Zone in the anime. As for true Fujiwara Zone, I think Shigeno is trying to say that being one with the car and maximising its potential within an environment is the pinnacle of man/machine interface. Look to WRC videos for these kind of superhuman techniques.

Danceswithfoxes
Posted: Mar 30 2013, 02:03 PM


IDW Senior Member
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 71
Member No.: 40,067
Joined: Jan 10th 2013
Location: California Prefecture





QUOTE (Soran @ Jan 28 2013, 06:23 AM)
Fujiwara Zone = Shigeno having an overdose of his daily weed intake

I agree! I connected better with the old Initial D since it felt more real. This stage has gotten a little less real that the previous stages.
Rudy
Posted: Apr 1 2013, 06:59 PM


Unregistered












(THIS POST WAS REMOVED BY REQUEST)
Ahmed1993
Posted: Apr 2 2013, 03:01 AM


IDW Jr. Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 51
Member No.: 38,894
Joined: Aug 18th 2012
Location: Update Profile





You really don't understand a damn thing about it... facepalm.gif
Gunma's 34
Posted: Apr 2 2013, 05:15 PM


The R34's chosen one
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 804
Member No.: 27,787
Joined: Dec 13th 2007
Location: Makati, Philippines





Then what do the wings comprise? :v
Vortrex
Posted: Apr 3 2013, 12:21 AM


1988 Toyota MR2 AW11, My Go-Kart AE86
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 559
Member No.: 38,745
Joined: Jul 2nd 2012
Location: Huizen, The Netherlands





QUOTE (Gunma's 34 @ 7 hours, 6 minutes ago)
Then what do the wings comprise? :v

Skill, just skill, it means Takumi reached the highest point.
I think when Bunta drove the AE86 and Shin was looking at it, he would see wings like Takumi too! biggrin.gif
Gunma's 34
Posted: Apr 3 2013, 05:24 AM


The R34's chosen one
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 804
Member No.: 27,787
Joined: Dec 13th 2007
Location: Makati, Philippines





QUOTE (Vortrex @ 5 hours, 2 minutes ago)
Skill, just skill, it means Takumi reached the highest point.
I think when Bunta drove the AE86 and Shin was looking at it, he would see wings like Takumi too! biggrin.gif

Nah, it just means Takumi's 86 transformed into an alicorn :v

user posted image
Takahashi Rensuke
Posted: Apr 3 2013, 05:57 AM


The Blue Lightning
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,141
Member No.: 36,245
Joined: Sep 5th 2010
Location: Akagi, Gunma, Japan





QUOTE (Vortrex @ 5 hours, 35 minutes ago)
Skill, just skill, it means Takumi reached the highest point.
I think when Bunta drove the AE86 and Shin was looking at it, he would see wings like Takumi too! biggrin.gif

Doubt it. I'll say more than just wings, he could've had a black aura and a halo laugh2.gif laugh2.gif laugh2.gif
Vortrex
Posted: Apr 3 2013, 06:32 AM


1988 Toyota MR2 AW11, My Go-Kart AE86
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 559
Member No.: 38,745
Joined: Jul 2nd 2012
Location: Huizen, The Netherlands





QUOTE (Gunma's 34 @ 1 hour, 8 minutes ago)
Nah, it just means Takumi's 86 transformed into an alicorn :v

http://denver.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f...obro2_500_S.gif

On the other hand: you're right tongue.gif

And to Rensuke: Wings suits racing more then a Halo. tongue.gif
And also, Takumi has a aura: a green one. smile.gif

This post has been edited by Vortrex on Apr 3 2013, 06:37 AM
Takahashi Rensuke
Posted: Apr 4 2013, 06:32 AM


The Blue Lightning
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 1,141
Member No.: 36,245
Joined: Sep 5th 2010
Location: Akagi, Gunma, Japan





QUOTE (Vortrex @ Yesterday, 10:32 PM)
And to Rensuke: Wings suits racing more then a Halo. tongue.gif
And also, Takumi has a aura: a green one. smile.gif

YOUTUBE ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Fhv_E2m-E )

A video with Takumi's aura
Gunma's 34
Posted: Apr 4 2013, 04:29 PM


The R34's chosen one
**********

Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 804
Member No.: 27,787
Joined: Dec 13th 2007
Location: Makati, Philippines





SEGA/SHIGENO MAKE UP YOUR MIND ALREADY!!! Is it green or is it blue???!!!

4 Pages  1 2 3 4