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| Posted by: Tessou Nov 27 2015, 09:45 AM | ||
Recently the moderating team has been hit with reports of some threads being necro'd by a new member. The existing guidelines actually protected members from reprisal outside of "you are stupid", so to prevent further disruption of forum activity, I've rewritten the thread revival guideline as follows.
If this does not make sense, let me know and I can rewrite the language to be more concise. This guideline rewrite is not retroactive, so existing necros are not going to be acted upon (although the member in question is getting a talking-to). Anything reported from today onward will be acted upon via the current guideline as it is written. |
| Posted by: Falbere Nov 28 2015, 02:35 AM |
| Don't worry about that ill reply to this thread again in a year |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 28 2015, 09:58 AM |
Be sure to tell another mod to handle it so I'm not nitpicking and contradicting myself.  |
| Posted by: Spaz Nov 28 2015, 09:57 PM |
| If anyone wants clarification on what this means in application, it's this: If you cannot 110% guarantee yourself that your post is interesting enough, informative enough, contributive enough, or what-have-you to actually bring discussion back to the thread, we will 110% guarantee you a +33% warn level. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 28 2015, 10:46 PM |
| I'm with you there, except that it should really be a lot higher when threads exceed 10 years in age. Seriously. |
| Posted by: xiao Nov 28 2015, 11:10 PM |
| I wanted said member to revive the What's In Your Keychain thread so I could brag about all the animu keychains I carry dangling off my lanyard... Srsly, this thing looks like a Buddhist X-Mas Tree plus a giant dead cockroach inside a power steering box!? But alas, keychains aren't as popular as they once were back in my day, when we used to do the Twist~ ♫ I alcohol 120% agree with Spaz on this one. Pics or Great Teacher F#ckin' Onizuka~  |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 28 2015, 11:23 PM | ||
That can easily be done. |
| Posted by: sushiyummy32 Nov 29 2015, 12:29 AM |
| couldnt you just a get a script that checks for threads older than a year and close off posting. im sure someone has created one for IPB? |
| Posted by: SgtXDNX Nov 29 2015, 12:43 AM |
| Only problem with that would be that sometimes, very occasionally, they'll have something of value to add to the discussion. On the other hand, ten years? Not bloody likely. |
| Posted by: BOZZ Nov 30 2015, 01:10 PM |
| The rule makes complete sense, maybe you guys should throw in some code or rule regarding new member accounts; maybe have those accounts only able to post in threads that are say at most 6 months old until they reach some sort of milestone (say 20 posts or having been a member for some period of time)? |
| Posted by: Tessou Nov 30 2015, 01:25 PM |
| That would be a lot of work for very few results. Thread necro is not a rampant issue, but a recent uptick caused the guideline to be given a tweak. Just keep reporting anything you guys see and we inefficient humans will work on it. |
| Posted by: r35gtr Dec 1 2015, 08:22 PM |
| the Victor Frankenstein that can be referred here is me. while I do not go on shouting "It's alive... it's alive" when I revived the old thread, actualy I thought I was doing the right thing. I have been to forums before where in you just make a new thread, the members will say like "use the search button" or " the topic has been discussed " or " stop beating a dead horse" and other stuff. So I did some back reading and saw that there are topics that are actually of interest to me. and I replied to it. and besides what is my financial gain if I revive an old thread? what harm can it do? well anyway since this is your forum, I will abide with your rules. but picture this, I have been a fan of Initial D since 2001 and I do not have someone to talk about it. in my area, if you are 18 years old and up and are still watching cartoons, people will think there is something wrong with you. so lo and behold, I found a forum with grown men talking about my favorite cartoons. so yeah, I kinda like it here. Do I still want to revive old thread? yeah I want to but I won't because you guys are getting angry about it . |
| Posted by: Tessou Dec 1 2015, 08:31 PM |
| At this point you could just make a new thread, as almost everybody here does not remember threads from 2003 to call you on it. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 1 2015, 08:48 PM |
| Exactly. If you're making a new thread for a topic that's still right there on the front page, then we'll roll our eyes and point it out. When you bring back 20+ threads from 2003-2004, that's when we get irritated. It's totally cool to have something you wanna talk about, and nobody's gonna judge you for being a thirty-something who's into Anime. Plenty of folks like that. Just don't ask ghosts of members long gone to engage in that conversation. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
| Posted by: xiao Dec 1 2015, 09:10 PM | ||
 Bro I can still hear DR's noble phantasm rocking that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZZFX60T2BM track late at nights, talking about how he has 3 hours to spin the mic before his 'rents come back home~ <3 |
| Posted by: sushiyummy32 Dec 1 2015, 10:17 PM | ||
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| Posted by: xiao Dec 2 2015, 12:10 AM | ||||
xiaobusters! 
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| Posted by: Tessou Dec 2 2015, 12:42 AM |
| Okay, now we're off topic and into weirdville. Ya basta con las chingaderas, por favor. |
| Posted by: xiao Dec 2 2015, 12:56 AM | ||
You're Spanish is awesome man~! xDTe llevarias requete bien con mi pops, porque se la pasa diciendome que si no me tapo el maldito hocico me va a tirar de un chingado edificio!? jajaja~  Anyways yeah, I'm out before this necromancing ghostbusters thread gets a phoenix down syndrome tour next year when the CEO of Nismo magically spawns in the General Discussion boards saying he's bringing back the Silvia as a 500 bhp FF truck~  |
| Posted by: Kiroshino Dec 9 2015, 07:15 AM | ||
Is this first part necessary? I mean, just glancing through the rules again, there really aren't any penalties for reviving a topic that was last posted in between 31 and 365 days inclusively. Edit: Typo fix. |
| Posted by: Tessou Dec 9 2015, 09:37 AM |
| I believe that was in the original guideline. I didn't remove it as I was focused on the necro part. |
| Posted by: Kiroshino Dec 9 2015, 10:16 AM |
| Fair enough. Can we remove it, or do you believe it still adds value? |
| Posted by: Tessou Dec 9 2015, 11:22 AM |
| I can remove it. |
| Posted by: Kiroshino Dec 9 2015, 12:01 PM |
| Cool. I see you have already. |
| Posted by: r35gtr Dec 9 2015, 09:26 PM |
| I do not have any plans on reviving old thread but why do you guys hate it? I know it is in the rules for some reason but what harm can it do? |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 9 2015, 10:11 PM |
| It's just irritating. Discussion on a topic dies for a reason. To come back over a decade later and try to revive discussion on that topic is more likely to make someone roll their eyes than actually engage. |
| Posted by: Kiroshino Dec 10 2015, 08:56 AM |
| A post that revives an extremely old thread usually doesn't add any value to the conversation. If it's significant enough to jump start the conversation again (ie with new information), it probably deserves a new thread. Yes, it doesn't do any harm, but it's more about common forum/board courtesy than anything else. |
| Posted by: Tessou Dec 11 2015, 09:49 AM | ||
This. The team isn't warning harmful content as much as teaching table manners when it comes to this guideline. Forget which one is the salad fork enough times and one of the green meanies gets to slap your hand. |
| Posted by: HorizontalMitsubishi Jun 29 2016, 07:32 PM |
| What about if the forums are so dead the only threads you find interesting and can reply to with relevant information are over 30 days old? Or maybe you have an update to your collection that you posted years ago? or maybe an update to a car build? |
| Posted by: THE_HONDA_CG2 Jun 29 2016, 07:37 PM | ||
Well, I had to do that recently for one of my fanfic threads. It hasn't been updated in like 500 days or something. I'm actually kinda surprised to see that I haven't been banned yet. |
| Posted by: Spaz Jun 29 2016, 10:42 PM |
| There are exceptions to every rule, and something like thread necro is and always has been case-by-case. Can't say I ever remember someone being warned, verbal or on-the-books, for bring legitimately useful and non-repetitive information or discussion to an old thread. Most of the time someone tries to bring honest discussion to an old post in say, the ID section where that kind of thing always seems to happen regularly with new members, it's either to state the obvious, regurgitate something that's been said already in a different wording, or just say something that's blatantly incorrect. Usually it just results in a verbal. |
| Posted by: Meteor Jun 30 2016, 02:52 PM |
| Fanfic thread necros have literally never been a warn-worthy offense, and for good reason. Hell, they don't even get warned when someone other than the author is doing the necroing (the only exception being when someone is necroing threads left and right to bump up their post count). Oh yeah, about that exception, that actually happened on at least two previous occasions, and that's the only reason the guidelines on thread necroing were updated. Thread revivals that aren't for the sake of post-count bumping and actually contribute to the thread in a meaningful way are still valid. You have exactly zero reason to be worried about getting warned here. |
| Posted by: dcr_raptor Jul 2 2016, 03:56 AM |
| In the gaming chat section, it states in the important rules at the top of the page to not create a duplicate thread and post in an already existing one. This basically gives me a choice between breaking this rule and necroing. The relevant thread exists, but hasn't been used in several years. If I would get a warning for creating a duplicate thread or get a warning for necroing a dead one, what should I do? |
| Posted by: Meteor Jul 2 2016, 06:15 AM |
| To date, I've only seen people get warned for necros if they're necroing threads left and right or contributing nothing of any worth or relevance to the topic they resurrected. You would most likely be safe in necroing that dead thread. To date, I've also never really seen people get warned for duplicate threads since the threads in this case tend to be years apart. The duplicate threads do eventually get merged if someone notices there's a duplicate, but the creator of the duplicate thread never gets a warning for it. You'd probably be safe in creating a duplicate thread too. So go do either of those. If you have your doubts, send a mod a PM. They won't bite. Maybe the mod team needs to clarify the rules even more. It seems only long time members like me know not to be too worried about running afoul of this rule. |
| Posted by: umustwait101 Jan 29 2017, 07:09 PM |
| I think I'll leave this here: I have dutifully backed up my digital life since around 2003, which was when I was still in high school. In the 15 or so years since, my life has definitely changed. However, every once in a while, like right now, I like going back through my old stuff. When I do that, sometimes I'll get curious, and start visiting all the old websites I used to visit back in the day. I think I first started coming here back in 2001. During these times, I'd like to also visit old threads, that I remember reading. Sort of like writing something like "so and so was here" on the wall of a cave, I might leave a reply if I can contribute to the ongoing discussion, despite knowing that it's unlikely that whoever needed that information still needs it or will stumble upon that thread again. Maybe I need to go outside more. At any rate, I think that people aren't necro posting out of malice. It usually is just harmless fun, as long as it's not spam or marketing junk. In general, I have found that online forums have been sources of esoteric information I otherwise would never find. It's nice that there's the occasional traveler who will leave some useful information. I hope I don't get warned for this... |
| Posted by: Meteor Jan 30 2017, 02:01 AM | ||
You won't. We're not that petty around here. Anyway, as I've already explained more than once in this very thread, there are cases where necroing is considered valid. And we're generally lenient on the non-valid necroposts too - the poster in question gets no warn for it and the thread itself gets locked at worst. This leniency was even granted to a member who was reviving a whole bunch of threads in a row. The posts had some form of substance to them and weren't just a transparent means of bumping up one's post count, so he was just politely told to not necropost too much. In order to get warned for necroposting, you have to obnoxiously spam old threads left and right with completely worthless posts that make it obvious you're not trying to have a discussion and are just trying to inflate your post count. Judging from the fact that all your posts so far have had actual content and an adequate use of vocabulary to them, you're not exactly at risk of getting warned anytime soon. Welcome to the forums, by the way. |
| Posted by: xiao Jan 30 2017, 09:14 AM | ||
Perry started these forums exactly in 2001 as a friends side project between him & Indy and/or Insidious in the lovely small NorCal town near the SF bay area Davisu desu!  (if legend serves me correct)If you are from waaay back when before even Original Gang times ... then u must be either Indy, Insid, Kiwi BB, and/or Perry's Mom or Dad...!!?  Welcome back to the boards, are u still into SMAPxSMAP variety style TV shows? ♥Or should I say ..... Mister Andy Lau ~ dun dun dun !!! ☆ |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 30 2017, 09:49 AM | ||
Completely irrelevant. It's not malice that earns slaps on the wrist and/or warnings for necromancing threads from a decade prior. |
| Posted by: umustwait101 Jan 30 2017, 08:24 PM |
| Thanks, Meteor for the welcome! I'm a little late to the party, but better late than never, right? Xiao, sorry to get your hopes up, but by "coming here", I meant frequenting the main website (back when it was initialdworld.com or something). I chuckle to myself now about how excited I was back in the day when I first found the website, and began voraciously downloading everything on the site, and printing out the logos of all the teams. In fact, little known secret was that the main site was what "initially" (haha!) inspired me on creating my own website, which ended up shaping my career into what it is now, 15 years later. As for the forums, I think I may have stumbled upon it in 2007, but never really registered until recently (I'm a little shocked that 2015 is more than a year ago). Sometimes, when I read some of these threads, I kind of wished I was more outgoing and left my lurking ways years ago. Unfortunately, I am not an old timer from these parts, and never really contributed or got to know anyone here. Now, time to get philosophical: Visiting here, I'm sometimes reminded of my younger days, when I had passion but lacked money. Now, I have enough money to fulfill the Takeshi Nakazato GT-R R32 driving dream I've always had, but I lack the passion to carry it out. Fate can be cruel. So cruel... Maybe I will import a R32 sometime in the future, to spite fate. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Jan 30 2017, 11:11 PM |
| We had a member here who made some very real sacrifices to make his dream come true, and that was several years ago before it was relatively simple to import R32 GT-Rs. Rekindle your passion, focus on the goal, make sacrifices, and bring your dream to life! |
| Posted by: Sensation! Jan 31 2017, 03:12 AM | ||||
This.
You missed your boat. You could've been family. Not to worry though, we're an open family. From the sound of it, if you live in the US or Canada, there's people in the forum who might love to hang out with you. Now keep on posting. |
| Posted by: Spaz Feb 2 2017, 04:55 PM | ||
Passion may get repressed, but it never really dies. A great example is my father. I know very little of his automotive history, but I get the feeling it's the same reason I know little about his youth; I suspect that he was a lot more wild than he likes to let on, and never wanted to be a bad influence with his stories. As I myself age, I find I have more and more in common with him in our less mature sides. There is a caged child in both of us. At the age of 51, he bought the first fun car I've known of (but likely not his FIRST fun car for the reasons above), a 2006 Mazda MX-5. His purchase was very much planned and researched, but the actual act thereof was very impulsive. We were supposed to be leaving for a college visit trip for me in the middle of January, but he just HAD to get dropped off at the dealer first to buy the car, which he brought home just to put into storage for the remainder of the winter. Fast forward to 2011, when I owned my first Evo, the SUV he was daily driving was bought back under a recall. He needed a new vehicle, so being a Subaru guy, he starts looking at WRXs and STis. A few weeks later, he purchased his '08 STi. Fast forward to now, that car is his baby (more so than the Miata, which has a paltry 7830-some miles on it). It's a simple car, stock save for a panel filter and air pump delete, 2-pc rotors and upgraded pads, and a rock-solid pro tune, and he can't get enough of it. He's had it on track a few times and just overall has a passion for it, a boyracer car he purchased at the age of 56. So if you have the money and the time, I say go for it. You can always find the passion. |
| Posted by: umustwait101 Feb 5 2017, 09:46 PM | ||||
Thanks for the encouragement. I do live in the US (Dallas is the closest major metropolitan area most people would know). I'm open to hanging out in real life.
Thanks for the inspiring story. I feel like I may be like your dad - putting off the passion to get the responsibilities in life done with first. Once I'm retired, or at least free of things that require me to be around all the time, I'll do whatever I want. Importing that R32 tho, I will do within 5 years. There's no reason not to, as it doesn't require that much sacrifice anymore. It's just not a good deal; but to fulfill my childhood dream, it's worth it. |
| Posted by: Tessou Feb 6 2017, 12:44 AM |
| What does any of this have to do with the topic? |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Feb 6 2017, 01:52 AM | ||
 Basically, that. |
| Posted by: umustwait101 Feb 6 2017, 10:02 PM |
| Umm... passion is something that should never die, just like old threads? Please don't cut my virtual life short. I'm too young to die here! |