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Posted by: TheWhiteEagle Nov 25 2016, 03:25 PM

They did it! They fucking did it!

EUROLOVERS channel, the one and biggest channel that has been the front of bringing Eurobeat to the world for over six years, has been deleted due to third-party notifications for copyright infringement.

You fucking idiotis

Last night I noticed the videos through my latest Eurobeat playist consisting of the latest SEB album had been deleted. At first I wasn't all that surprised but then I noticed that over half of the music of my previous playist consisting music from SEB albums 231-239 has also been deleted. It at this point I really started to get worried. I was afraid I was going to wake up the next morning and find that the biggest Eurobeat on YouTube had been terminated. And lo and behold, it happened! All because a bunch of copyright assholes found it necessary to fuck over a person who in truth was doing nothing wrong.

Now before you starting saying that file-sharing is illegal, let me say this. What exactly is wrong with file-sharing? No, seriously. What exactly is wrong with it? Especially for a music genre that is barely known around the world outside of Japan? This isn't mainstream music we're talking about here, be it pop, hip-hop, rap, whatever. We're talking about a music genre that has had the bare minimum of promotion in the the nearly 27 years since it first started. The few who do know about it outside of Japan either discovered it through the anime Initial D or by chance. It was the reason why we became fans and why we made efforts to try to get this music better known and the one only ways to do that was with file-sharing through the internet. Illegal? Yes, but that the only way they could do it since Avex Trax made no efforts to try to promote SEB around the world.

So what exactly is wrong with file-sharing in this sense? Most of people doing it are not trying to make money off of it, nor are they claiming that it's their music. Many of those people will even acknowledge the copyright holders and specifically state that no copyright infringement is intended. They're only trying to share this music with other people. That's promotion, not copyright infringement. And yet, they're being punished for no fucking reason at all!

"Well, they didn't have permission from the company."

Fuck you! Under the fair use doctrine you allow to use clips from music or videos for whatever you're creating for nonprofit and educational purposes. You can actually upload entire movies or music if you wanted to for that reason. You do not the company's permission, written or verbal, unless you intent to make money off of it. Then you need their permission! If you're doing for free, and for promotional or educational reasons, then why the fuck should these companies care about file-sharing, especially for a an album that came out a long time ago, like five or ten years ago? What difference is it going to make? You not going to make any more money off of those old albums, nor are you going to lose any!

If Avex-Trax so worried about about file-sharing then what they should do is this. First, make bigger efforts to promote SEB. Second, create an official YouTube channel and upload the music there, just like everyone did only this time you'll be doing legally. Certain labels like SCP have done it! Many other music companies have done it! Why can't you? Third, wait until a certain time period after you release the latest album to upload the new music onto you YouTube channel, specifically when the initial sales finally die down. If anyone wants to buy the album afterwards, kudos. You just made a little extra money. Really, it's not that hard.

"Why don't you just buy the albums instead?"

Do you have any idea how hard it is to find a physical copy of any SEB album?

We're not talking about a real famous band here that has maybe a dozen albums under their belt that still sells even today. We're talking a compilation series, the worlds longest compilation series I might add, of various artists who came together to create something special yet in truth has received very little attention attention compared to famous band like the Bee Gees and Bon Jovi over the years. SEB albums sell like what? 500? 600 at the most with each release? That's a far cry to other famous albums from certain bands. And there's 241 albums out right now! Do you seriously expect people to just go out there and buy every single album out there?

Okay, let's say Avex Trax makes every SEB album available to buy except it's still only available in Japan. Oh! And let's not forget the Maharaja Night series and the Euroflash series. Hell, let's go ahead and throw in the Euromach megamixes and the Initial D special albums for good measure. That's 300 or so albums all thrown in together yet the only way a non Japanese fan can get them is to import them. Each SEB album we have had recently is nearly $23. To import them, shipping and handling would add $25+. So you're spending $50 for every single album. Let's do the math.

SEB Albums alone = $12, 050
Everything else thrown in = $15,000+

$15,000?! I can buy a new car in for that kind of money! Hell, I could even buy every single gaming console and a brand new gaming computer for the same amount. No one has that kind of money! No wants to spend that kind of money! Oh, I'm sure the most dedicated hardcore fan will but how many of those you think exist in the world? So the only other way to do it is to download them digitally, but even that's hard to do! SEB 241 had been out for two months now and it's still not available on itunes! WTF! Hell, last I checked, there seemed to little to no Eurobeat on itunes. And even if you could find the old albums, you'd be spending three times the amount of what it was originally worth because of how rare the album. So in the end, you'll be spending close to $20,000 total.

What the fuck is going Avex Trax?! What the fuck are you doing?! Your music is barely known outside of Japan! You've done nothing to help it grow it when it started to get attention partly because of Initial D. You could have taken that opportunity to feature Eurobeat in more anime products! Like having one about a high school band that did this kind of music. Hell, make it a musical if you like! You could have introduced SEB to the US and other places around the world when the new millennium came around! But no! You didn't! Instead you just chocking the very life out of these labels, most of which have been with from the very beginning, to get every little yen because you're not satisfied with all the other stuff you have.

So it shouldn't come as a surprise that certain people start file-sharing on YT because they know that you won't do it, knowing full well they risk having their channels deleted. Yet they do it anyway because that's how much they love this music and they want to share with the rest of the world in hopes of it getting the recognition it deserves. I understand why this happened but it happened for the wrong reasons. EUROLOVERS was one of your biggest supporters and he did everything he could to help promote your music. Yes it was illegal but that was the only way he could do it. And it's quite impressive that he lasted this long. But instead of asking him nicely to shut down his channel you instead let the copy-right police slit his throat. And for what? Nothing! Except "Give us money God Dammit!"

And that's the funny thing! EUROLOVERS was doing this for nothing! He wasn't asking for money, he wasn't trying the steal anyone's music. He's was only doing this to share and promote. How exactly is that wrong?! I just don't understand why people are so convinced that this wrong. You might as well say that I'm not allowed to play this kind of music in a social gathering because I don't have the company's permission. I know that sounds stupid but that's what it's leading to!

Sigh...

Unbelievable. Nearly seven years of hard work from this channel and it ends like this. Over 4,000 videos and nearly 40,000 subscribers. That alone should tell you something. Sure, it's a far cry from other music channels that over a million subscribers but I consider that a major accomplishment seeing that number rise slowly but surely everyday. EUROLOVERS was the best Eurobeat channel for many reasons. He's part of the reason why I have a channel on YouTube. I could sit there listen to just about every Eurobeat song without to look all over the internet or spend a bunch just to do so. Now, it looks like I'm not going to be able to anymore. Sure, there's other channels out there but...

don't count on them being around for much longer. Now that this... "purge" is going on how long do you think it will be before all those other channels are terminated? Tomorrow? Next week? Two weeks from now? A month if their lucky?

I don't know what to say guys. We have every reason to be worried now. I'm pretty much convinced that at this point we'll never see SEB get out of the slump it's been for the last few years. When you at SEB and its amazing history, it's really sad to see the state it's in now. A mere shadow of what it once was. I just can't see it lasting beyond 2020 with the way Avex Trax is treating it. If this continues on, I think what needs to happen is that the Italian labels need to split from SEB and Avex Trax entirely because they're not going anywhere. They can't go anywhere because Avex Trax won't let them. They need to just leave and start all over. Maybe move over to the US and try to get some new young blood into the genre. If they really made an effort on that, it could really turn into something special.

"SUPER AMERICA BEAT"

That actually doesn't sound too bad.

Overall, I'm really sad and upset about this. But... this event might mean something. Maybe Avex Trax is going to exactly what I suggested up above. But...

given to what they've been doing lately I'm not about to get my hopes up just yet. I'm hoping for the best but I'm also expecting the worse. For all those who like to share Eurobeat on YouTube you better be prepared because you might be next.

This was the wrong thing to do Avex Trax and you fucking know it. And that goes for all you copyright police(or should I say "Euro-police) as well who made this happen. Don't give me that crap about it being justified because that's just plain bullshit. Thanks to you, a good channel is gone forever along with any hope of Eurobeat might have on ever making an impact around the world. I hope you people are proud of yourselves because you won't get any support or sympathy from me.

EUROLOVERS, if you happen to see this post, thank you for all you hard work over the years. I don't care if it was illegal, you did it out of pure dedication and you did it with pride. I enjoyed every song you put up and your efforts is what made Eurobeat so special to listen to. It's a real sad shame that it had to end like this, but it was fun while it lasted. Whatever you do from now on, I wish you the best.

"So I say
Thank you for the music, the songs I'm singing
Thanks for all the joy they're bringing
Who can live without it, I ask in all honesty
What would life be?
Without a song or a dance what are we?
So I say thank you for the music
For giving it to me"

R.I.P. EUROLOVERS
2010-2016

Posted by: Hannah Nov 25 2016, 04:00 PM

That's just fucking fantastic. I'm so goddamned disappointed in people.

Posted by: skibblesx Nov 25 2016, 07:44 PM

this is so extra ahahaha

Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 25 2016, 08:39 PM

This is a hall of fame thread.

Posted by: Zergax Nov 26 2016, 01:15 AM

And everything went to s*** because someone somewhere didn't like people enjoying their stuff for free when that same person doesn't want to sell it to us...

Posted by: xiao Nov 26 2016, 04:39 AM

Posted by: Teh Asphyx Nov 26 2016, 07:17 AM

QUOTE (xiao @ 2 hours, 38 minutes ago)

★ It wasn't 100% Avex to blame for Eurolover's YT Channel shut-down Eagle m'man ~ all of the Studios wanted that channel gone. And now it's gone.

♪

No, I can say Hi-NRG Attack always shared the uploads of their songs on the channel. They used it for their own promotion on Facebook. I don't think they're happy about the recent events.

Posted by: otter87 Nov 26 2016, 07:33 AM

lol, definitely tl;dr

Posted by: Teh Asphyx Nov 26 2016, 07:44 AM

For the rest I'm gonna say the same as in the Eurobeat Prime forum:

I don't want to write about negative emotions (although I got a lot of those too), but I'd rather try to think about how it can be possible to change the situation.
As a musician I can only say that I will continue to carry the Eurobeat flag and will make my music as accessible as possible. There is not much more I can do, but it's already a lot of work.
What you can do as fans is to support independent artists more, like talk about their songs, share them, and of course buy them if you like them. For someone who can easily buy an imported CD for 50$ it's won't be too hard to spend 10$ for an album of equal length on Bandcamp (available in lossless quality, so the same as a CD). With that you can show Avex and others what you as fans care about besides great music. And you help to create the possibility to establish new networks for Eurobeat creation and distribution.
At the moment I am planning to create such a network together with some artists in Japan and some artists in North America. One goal is to make CDs and merch stuff available easily in the entire world, not only in some countries.
Sadly I only see few people like Lebon14 for example who really care about stuff from other artists than those who are signed to Avex, although some of those artists have reached equal or even higher quality level than SEB.
With the recent events I think this is even more important now. So if there's nothing you can't do about Avex for now, there is still something you can do and I as well as other Eurobeat artists still count on your support to keep the genre alive.

Posted by: TheWhiteEagle Nov 26 2016, 08:47 AM

QUOTE (xiao @ 4 hours, 8 minutes ago)

★ It wasn't 100% Avex to blame for Eurolover's YT Channel shut-down Eagle m'man ~ all of the Studios wanted that channel gone. And now it's gone.

♪

I find that very hard to believe. Look how long EUROLOVERS's channel was up over the years. If the studios really had an an issue with him uploading their music, don't you think his channel would have been terminated a long time ago? Especially three years ago when YouTube came out with that new copyright system? When that came out I thought EUROLOVERS would be one of the first to go. But that never happen. Instead he kept going strong into 2014. The only studio I know that didn't allow him to upload their music was Dima.

This whole fiasco didn't start until the release of SEB 241. Nothing like this had ever happened before. So why now of all times? It doesn't make any sense.

Posted by: xiao Nov 26 2016, 09:41 AM

☆ neko ~

Posted by: M2-EB Nov 26 2016, 10:58 AM

QUOTE (TheWhiteEagle @ 2 hours, 6 minutes ago)

This whole fiasco didn't start until the release of SEB 241. Nothing like this had ever happened before. So why now of all times? It doesn't make any sense.

It's a cursed album boo

QUOTE (xiao @ 1 hour, 12 minutes ago)

Ask Sjoerd what Rimonti told him a couple of years ago ~ Then ask Rimonti if he liked that Channel? ^_^Befriend any eurobeat producer over Facebook and PM them a message asking any one of them "Did you like or support the Eurolovers YouTube Channel?" - I guarantee you every one of them will tell you a re-sounding NO. Talk to them personally over the phone & you can personally hear the moment their voice cracks.

I agree with all your points. But it wasn't all Avex's fault. The labels were responsible 50% too.

Will agree with Teh Asphyx here: if they didn't like it so much they wouldn't be posting the videos. I used to see a lot of complaining but no action, only one label seemed to be able to "stop" sharing on YouTube. I don't know the logistics of claiming copyright and actually pruning unauthorized uploads, but they made it.

Posted by: TheWhiteEagle Nov 26 2016, 11:01 AM

QUOTE (xiao @ 1 hour, 19 minutes ago)

Befriend any eurobeat producer over Facebook and PM them a message asking any one of them "Did you like or support the Eurolovers YouTube Channel?" - I guarantee you every one of them will tell you a re-sounding NO. Talk to them personally over the phone & you can personally hear the moment their voice cracks.

That doesn't answer the question of why they didn't do anything about it until now. There are many other Eurobeat channels on YT, some of which have been around almost as long as EUROLOVERS was. Again, this didn't all start until 241 when they could have done it years ago.

I'm sorry, but I'm calling bullshit on this. This sounds more Avex Trax yanking the chains around the producers necks so that they don't look like the bad guys. But let's just say you're right and they are partly responsible. Well, they just killed the music they've spent thirty years of their lives creating with this event.

Posted by: xiao Nov 26 2016, 11:50 AM

☆ pizza ~

Posted by: TheWhiteEagle Nov 26 2016, 12:43 PM

QUOTE (xiao @ 52 minutes, 57 seconds ago)

If you're still skeptic: contact them on Facebook they're all on 24/7 & you'll find out 1st hand.

Even if they said it straight to my face I wouldn't believe them. Of course they're not going to say they supported an illegal firesharing YT channel out loud to the public. That would make them look bad

. You can't tell me they're not aware of the sorry state Eurobeat is in. I firmly believe they were eternally grateful that EUROLOVERS and other people that were trying keep their music alive. Otherwise EUROLOVERS wouldn't have lasted as long as he did. And you know what? He would still be around if this entire fiasco hadn't happened. It happened right out of the blue and for the wrong reasons.

Posted by: Teh Asphyx Nov 26 2016, 12:48 PM

I don't care what anyone said some years ago. People have the ability to think things over and change their opinion about it. What counts is now.
Posting the videos doesn't mean they like it, but it means that they make the best of the situation, something that is needed if you want to run a successful business, anythings else only helps lawyers to get rich.

Posted by: xiao Nov 26 2016, 12:59 PM

QUOTE (TheWhiteEagle @ 1 minute, 29 seconds ago)

Even if they said it straight to my face I wouldn't believe them.

☆ Let me clarify cause we're playing a game of semantics here Dori my friend ~ the Eurobeat Producers aren't against YouTube. They're against people that isn't Them and/or Avex uploading their songs to YT.

☆ I honestly think they either hated him or didn't care ~ Eurobeat isn't their breadwinner, never was. Especially Avex - the biggest J-pop record company in the https://idforums.net/index.php?showtopic=48534&view=findpost&p=1335881.

Posted by: Crockett Nov 26 2016, 02:23 PM

1. Only the owner, author of a song can report copyright claim.

2. Neither artist, who 90 % of time in a month is out of studio, because lives normally and works somewhere else nowadays, doesn't also spend damn time for browsing YouTube and learning users nicknames or thinking "Where is my old or new song?".

That's why Eurolovers existed so long and could much longer. Until multiple report.

3. Eurolovers wasn't the problem just because he ripped the latest SEB. Nobody knows him, from Avex Trax office to each italian studio, but he had unreleased extended versions or even tracks impossible to find as unreleased ! And this was much more problematic I guess. Somebody stole music officially non-existent, which could only have Avex Trax or the studio in Italy.

4. More CDs sold - more profits. Logical and it's fact also in Avex Trax. Unchanged, the same amount of royalty regardless of the number of sold songs, CDs is some nightmare lie spread among fans long time since I read forums.

So surely artists must care of that - their business, if they treat serious themselves.

And I think they cared with help of fans.

1988......1990......1995......2000......2005......2010......2016 they survived thanks to obviously needed profits to go forward.

Personally I'm not happy as well, that a lot of Eurobeat used even for memories gone.

If SEB Vol. 242 will be a disaster of sale because the YouTube channel has been closed, they all should draw conclusions, but if nothing won't change...

Answer yourself.

Posted by: TheWhiteEagle Nov 26 2016, 04:14 PM

QUOTE (Crockett @ 1 hour, 51 minutes ago)

If SEB Vol. 242 will be a disaster of sale because the YouTube channel has been closed, they all should draw conclusions, but if nothing won't change...

Answer yourself.

Exactly.

Eliminating EUROLOVERS was a big mistake and Avex Trax is going to pay for it dearly if they're not careful. Unfortunately we have to wait three more months before 242 is released. I can only hope and pray that by some miracle EUROLOVERS is able to get his channel back or perhaps have a backup channel prepared in case something like this happened. Without him, at least to me, Eurobeat will not be as enjoyable as it once was.

Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 26 2016, 04:39 PM

QUOTE (kyonpalm @ Yesterday, 8:39 PM)

This is a hall of fame thread.

Fucking agreed. That is a shitload of text just to be whiny about losing a trove of illegally-uploaded music.

RIP

Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 26 2016, 05:20 PM

QUOTE (Crockett @ 2 hours, 38 minutes ago)

3. Eurolovers wasn't the problem just because he ripped the latest SEB. Nobody knows him, from Avex Trax office to each italian studio, but he had unreleased extended versions or even tracks impossible to find as unreleased ! And this was much more problematic I guess. Somebody stole music officially non-existent, which could only have Avex Trax or the studio in Italy.

Wow, I never knew this. This is some conspiracy kind of shit. Must have been someone at Avex - if it were one of the labels, they'd probably only be posting their own stuff. For instance, it couldn't be Gelmetti, since he sells his archives, I can't see him giving it all up free.

QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 21 minutes, 43 seconds ago)

Fucking agreed. That is a shitload of text just to be whiny about losing a trove of illegally-uploaded music.

RIP

But at the end of the day, OP does bring up good points. This is just another chapter in the story of Avex shooting themselves in the foot. Or more accurately, cutting their own brake lines and taking the Italians on a nice road trip with them. At some point I have to wonder if they're intentionally doing everything they can to kill eurobeat because they don't have the heart to just cut things off with the labels in person.

Posted by: xiao Nov 26 2016, 05:40 PM

QUOTE (kyonpalm @ 17 minutes, 19 seconds ago)

It was a Japanese guy and/or girl ~ probly one of DJ Boss's friends or someone with access to Avex & Co.'s servers. Some even say it was ......

SPOILER

YOUTUBE ( https://youtube.com/watch?v=cphNpqKpKc4 )

Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 26 2016, 06:11 PM

QUOTE (kyonpalm @ 51 minutes, 52 seconds ago)

Doesn't make sense. Unless you are trying to tell me that this entire channel was hosting entirely unreleased music, then this conspiracy theory does not hold any water at all.

I don't have to have every video on my channel violate someone's copyright in order to get my account banned. Get enough reported in the wrong way and bam, you're offline, seeya later chum.

Posted by: xiao Nov 26 2016, 06:31 PM

Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.

Posted by: M2-EB Nov 26 2016, 06:58 PM

Since things got this point, back to and running in the 90s, they could revive the old eurobeat once again…

Posted by: Shintaro Nov 26 2016, 10:23 PM

I knew it would come to this. I noticed many of my videos of SEB are being blocked from certain regions or being muted entirely. I believe the "Super Eurobeat" music channel (Eurobeat Space) has also met a similar fate.

Posted by: xiao Nov 26 2016, 10:43 PM

☆ neko neko ~ user posted image

Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 26 2016, 10:43 PM

QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 4 hours, 28 minutes ago)

Doesn't make sense. Unless you are trying to tell me that this entire channel was hosting entirely unreleased music, then this conspiracy theory does not hold any water at all.

I don't understand. The fact is some of the uploads on that channel were of unreleased material. Doesn't matter how much of the channel's videos were unreleased, the mere fact they were on there, and that they were presumably unreleased tracks that hadn't already been circulated means someone who has some connection to the labels was behind it. If I assume that the channel had not just one label's unreleased material but several, then it's almost guaranteed to be an Avex contact.

Posted by: TheWhiteEagle Nov 26 2016, 10:43 PM

QUOTE (Shintaro @ 19 minutes, 55 seconds ago)

He's still there, along with his original channel. He just hasn't uploaded anything in nearly a year most likely because of copyright strikes. However, he may very well end up suffering a similar fate anytime soon.

Posted by: xiao Nov 26 2016, 10:46 PM

Woah! Me Kyon & Dori posted like all under the same minute !!

That's gotta be some sort of record up in this! ~

\m/

Posted by: Nomake Wan Nov 26 2016, 11:05 PM

QUOTE (kyonpalm @ 22 minutes, 30 seconds ago)

How?

Let's do a thought experiment to illustrate why this claim is bogus tinfoil-hattery.

I have a YouTube channel. I have 1000 videos on said channel. Of this, 250 are completely original unreleased content that a certain company (let's call them "Pyrex") would own the rights to if they were ever released. 750 are illegal uploads of released content from that same company.

I then get struck, all at once, for 50 videos. The limit for banning an account is much, much lower, but wham, in an instant my whole channel is gone. I can even change it be the other way around, so that the channel has 750 unreleased content and 250 released, and even still, this works.

So, where is your proof that the unreleased content was what took the channel down?

This is why, as I said, unless the entire channel is made up of unreleased content, you're buying into OP's tinfoil-hattery. It's nonsense. However, if there is some fundamental thing I'm misunderstanding, then by all means, explain away.

EDIT: OHHH I SEE. I see what you mean now. I had to read and re-read and re-re-read the associated posts to figure it out, and in the end it was actually reading Xiao's post that clued me in. The conspiracy theory is that the uploader works for Avex. Got it. Well, for that, I can't say much. However, I can say that it wouldn't be the first time--especially since RED got implemented--that an 'official' channel got its shit nuked off the planet due to copyright strikes from itself or subsidaries of itself.

Posted by: skibblesx Nov 27 2016, 04:50 AM

woah i didn't realize this room was ivory

Posted by: M2-EB Nov 27 2016, 05:39 AM

QUOTE (xiao @ 6 hours, 50 minutes ago)

★ I love it how every serious eurobeat thread turns into a mockery of memes & completely nonsensical discussion XD

~~★ Maybe I shouldn't say anything cause I'm usually the one responsible for turning this shit upside-down goofy ~~~

QUOTE (skibblesx @ 42 minutes, 22 seconds ago)

woah i didn't realize this room was ivory

Have a seat, y'all hahaha

Posted by: Rain197 Nov 27 2016, 06:17 AM

QUOTE (Crockett @ Today, 12:23 AM)

1. Only the owner, author of a song can report copyright claim.

On Mari - I Love You From Soul uploaded by EUROLOVERS, there were a comment from Gabrielli who said something like : "hi i don't know you at all, where do you get the rights to upload my song without my permission ?"

Posted by: Crockett Nov 27 2016, 07:30 AM

QUOTE (Rain197 @ 1 hour, 12 minutes ago)

I saw that one too. R. Gabrielli wanted to get some agreement first, to find out is this perhaps hidden support from a guy from Avex Trax, who had access to songs impossible theoretically to leave the studio.

Chomikuj.pl

Here is a virtual disk popular in my country, Poland, which survived many years, when the other pages have been terminated as well due to piracy.

Funny hero of that place related with the name of page is hamster - chomik in polish language.

You can find here gigabytes of various music, incredible things you won't get easy legally seaching Google for another sources, also Eurobeat often never available or on some suspicious servers, which require sending SMS etc.

You only need to create an acount and buy transfer. But no worries.

Whether will it work abroad, I doubt a little, I mean purchasing transfer via credit card or SMS.

Posted by: xiao Nov 27 2016, 07:38 AM

QUOTE (skibblesx @ 2 hours, 44 minutes ago)

woah i didn't realize this room was ivory

QUOTE (M2-EB @ 1 hour, 54 minutes ago)

Have a seat, y'all hahaha

★ I bloody love you guys ~

YOUTUBE ( https://youtube.com/watch?v=1R_A4-UoOrE )

Posted by: Nerubian Nov 27 2016, 07:41 AM

That's strange, why would someone from Avex themselves distribute unreleased songs?

Posted by: xiao Nov 27 2016, 07:50 AM

QUOTE (Nerubian @ 8 minutes, 46 seconds ago)

That's strange, why would someone from Avex themselves distribute unreleased songs?

He/she worked for Avex ~ but did it unofficially. It's the only rational explanation as to how he had access to tunes that no one knew existed or were only available within the Avex FTP/Harddrives where the studios upload commissioned songs. A lot of which Avex forgot they even existed & never released them ~ but when confronted by FB fans the studios had to admit to production cause it was obvious the singer belonged to so-and-so label.

Doesn't take a game-genie to know it was probably one of DJ Boss's friends or DJ Boss DJ Shu DJ Gun RedMonster etc etc doing it behind his/her company's back w/o permission.

Eurolovers was deleted cause SEB 241 was uploaded ~ cf: Rain's post.

♪ ♫

Posted by: Nerubian Nov 27 2016, 08:09 AM

I don't understand why they hide unreleased songs from the public, anyway. If I made a good song that would never get released I would be pretty mad because nobody could enjoy the song I put lots of effort and fun into.

Wish, there were more rebels in japanese egoistic music companies.

Posted by: xiao Nov 27 2016, 08:35 AM

QUOTE (Nerubian @ 23 minutes, 46 seconds ago)

★ The studios got payed and that's what ultimately matters in music consumption: sad but true™

★ It's not like they hide it ... it's more like DJ Boss & Co. are lazy ferks that forget what the labels upload ~ even though they paid for those songs.

★ You gotta remember Avex is primarily a J-pop company ~ their Eurobeat division can afford to get high on the weekends & sip Martini's dry in Roppongi's SEF ~ *hiccup*

★ There are ~ Sony Columbia Warner Interscope etc etc & they were all on wut.cd

♪ ♫

YOUTUBE ( https://youtube.com/watch?v=EgT_us6AsDg&t=19 )

Posted by: Meteor Nov 27 2016, 09:45 AM

QUOTE

I don't understand why they hide unreleased songs from the public, anyway.

Easy: so they can release an album of NEVER BEFORE RELEASED songs somewhere down the line.

Assuming they don't lose the masters before then.

I remember one of the songs from the SEB 230s was apparently made years prior and never previously released, too.

(btw xiao, TheWhiteEagle and Dori are two completely different people. Stop confusing them)

Posted by: xiao Nov 27 2016, 09:59 AM

QUOTE (Meteor @ 11 minutes, 34 seconds ago)

btw xiao, TheWhiteEagle and Dori are two completely different people. Stop confusing them

☆ As much as I wish I had my old shinigami eyes back to cross reference his IP ~ I just love shooting from the hip way too much since their prose is almost nearly identical ☆

SPOILER

Posted by: Rain197 Nov 27 2016, 10:42 AM

QUOTE (Meteor @ 57 minutes, 9 seconds ago)

I remember one of the songs from the SEB 230s was apparently made years prior and never previously released, too.

Which one ? I only know J. Storm - Dance Into The Fire from SEB226 and Mickey B. - Miss You from SEB223 (not sure for this one)

Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 27 2016, 11:23 AM

QUOTE (Nerubian @ 3 hours, 6 minutes ago)

I don't understand why they hide unreleased songs from the public, anyway.

I assume Avex only puts out what they consider to be the best tracks on SEB. If they leave something they're given unreleased, it's probably because they honestly didn't think it would sell well / be enough of a potential hit. There's no other reason for them to leave something unreleased, other than for space constraints, since they still adhere to CD length standards.

QUOTE (Rain197 @ 33 minutes, 15 seconds ago)

Which one ? I only know J. Storm - Dance Into The Fire from SEB226 and Mickey B. - Miss You from SEB223 (not sure for this one)

There was also 10,000 Lovers by Mirka on SEB 201, which I think was recorded in '93(?) Still cannot believe that spent so many years in the archives, I'm sure it would have been a hit if released when it was made. Love that song.

Posted by: xiao Nov 27 2016, 11:52 AM

...aaaaand Space Cowboy / Mega NRG Man still hasn't received a proper SEB release ...

Marin should just re-record it with better presets or do a remix of sorts ~ release both songs in a 2nd disc like SEB used to do in the 170's.

The backlog of unreleased great HT tracks ~ not to mention released songs in edited format from SCP alone pops* a Vegeta Vein in my forehead everytime I see those snob paralists flaunt their shyte mp3 leaked tunes on YT.

Both labels & Avex are to blame for their hilariously self-detrimental fuck'ups regarding music they've made. :/

Posted by: Nerubian Nov 27 2016, 12:34 PM

I bet there are a lot of good songs which never got released. Maybe many from the 90s and early 2000s too. That some of them were released several years later shows that they can't be all this bad.
Avex could just put them on a second disc like a "B" side or bonus disc or it's own "presents" compilation.

Maybe those unreleased songs are just so good that "normal" people like us don't deserve them.

Posted by: M2-EB Nov 27 2016, 01:00 PM

QUOTE (Nerubian @ 26 minutes, 45 seconds ago)

I believe, at least about the new ones, that it's up to their producers? See Hi-Nrg Attack for example: from time to time, they'll update their donwload page with freshly made tracks that I assume are "rejected" from Super Eurobeat. If all labels produce at least 6 tracks to each SEB and only 1 to 3 make it in the end, they'll have around 3 to 5 unreleased songs (with 3B being the exception? They release a track once in awhile and it goes on next SEB anyway lol).

I've no idea what's Avex criteria on which songs to pick or not, they leave some gems like More Touch / Franz Tornado and this one below off the compilation even though they sound better than the ones they choose at times…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjkBV6hAuZw

Posted by: xiao Nov 27 2016, 01:39 PM

QUOTE (M2-EB @ 37 minutes, 29 seconds ago)

I've no idea what's Avex criteria on which songs to pick or not...

★ Eu acho que o verdadeiro castigator e ...

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Posted by: Teh Asphyx Nov 28 2016, 12:10 AM

QUOTE (M2-EB @ Yesterday, 1:00 PM)

I've no idea either. Of course I know they chose by composition and performance but that doesn't explain why some songs make it on SEB while other songs don't. I guess in the end it's a matter of taste.
On the other side I haven't seen any SEB song that hasn't got at least one fan.

Posted by: Crockett Nov 28 2016, 09:05 AM

I read about some initiatives which born right after the Eurolovers channel has been closed. Why not before?

The idea to flood Avex Trax sites by emphatic demands.

Please read even a short article about italian and japanese culture.

These nations aren't closed at international people totally. But they are a little distanced to foreign persons.

How much, it's dependent on the region where they live or come from.

Italians and Japanese with a joint effort established Eurobeat and whole Avex Trax for Japan, when nobody of the current or younger international fans haven't heard yet about this all part of history of dance music or they were simply children.

I have some experience with that - nagging, obtrusive behavior to Italians or Japanese who first of all, mostly prefer contact with family and close friends or people somehow more familiar with them, will be considered simply as lack of personal culture and offensive.

This way you will only discourage them all to american fans or wherever you live.

I'm in full accord with you, to share Eurobeat on iTunes if that's your way to buy legal music, but you won't do nothing such attitude like I described above.

Eurobeat lost the biggest popularity in Japan. Despite this, they still may not want to sell music to the new unknown community.

Neither company from Far East under pressure of foreign fans won't change their policy.

Posted by: M2-EB Nov 28 2016, 09:33 AM

Easier said than done.
It's pretty damn obvious that many people tried to contact Avex before (myself included) just to be completely ignored. With what have happened, some are trying again. I don't think it will take anywhere again but who knows? They managed to shut down a big channel on YouTube after many years of doing nothing, they might finally hear us.

Or not.

The fact that they showed us, in many occasion, that they're stuck in the 90s isn't our fault or problem. We're not the ones to blame if they can't handle current music industry.

Posted by: Nerubian Nov 28 2016, 12:42 PM

I don't think Avex will ever care about us. Some years ago they asked fans around the world in which countries they want SEB, but nothing happened since then.

Posted by: Crockett Nov 30 2016, 06:57 AM

QUOTE (M2-EB @ Nov 28 2016, 09:33 AM)

Easier said than done.
It's pretty damn obvious that many people tried to contact Avex before (myself included) just to be completely ignored.

No, no, no...

I'm saying you should, you must try again. But not that way what I see in the first reactions.

Who from this forum is ready to sign a polite letter by your real name and your country, with a sensible request that you really would like to pay on iTunes for SEB?

Roberto Gabrielli offered help if truly exists a group, which will buy SEB in digital format.

He will contact proper worker, boss and provide your request.

SEB fan page used to promotion or any e-mail to big corporation isn't at all the way to find solution.

It's the only one chance again, instead of disturbing people in Italy or in different Avex Trax departments, where nobody can't decide or even analize your request.

Posted by: xiao Nov 30 2016, 07:36 AM

★ It'd be nice if Avex started a http://bandcamp.com account with the newest released albums like SEB 242 and onwards cause nobody likes mu-mo Shop not even the Jap kidz haha ~ user posted image

Posted by: Teh Asphyx Nov 30 2016, 08:24 AM

QUOTE (Crockett @ 1 hour, 26 minutes ago)

Roberto Gabrielli offered help if truly exists a group, which will buy SEB in digital format.

He will contact proper worker, boss and provide your request.

I think this is a nice offer. I guess we can talk to Roberto the Western way and he will hopefully do the business talk the Japanese way. I see more chances that way than signing a petition.

Posted by: Todeshornisse Nov 30 2016, 11:54 AM

QUOTE (Zergax @ Nov 26 2016, 10:15 AM)

And everything went to s*** because someone somewhere didn't like people enjoying their stuff for free when that same person doesn't want to sell it to us...

Best saying ever regarding the situation ...

Posted by: xiao Nov 30 2016, 12:07 PM

QUOTE (Zergax @ Nov 26 2016, 03:15 AM)

And everything went to s*** because someone somewhere didn't like people enjoying their stuff for free when that same person doesn't want to sell it to us...

★ lol it's not that bad ~ I would personally scrub all the studios's bathrooms with my toothbrush if they'd let me be their Sound Recording Assistant for a couple of years ~ especially Bratt & Marin's places ~

♪ ♫

Posted by: TheWhiteEagle Nov 30 2016, 01:21 PM

QUOTE (Crockett @ 6 hours, 24 minutes ago)

Okay, I'm willing to hear what Roberto has to say. I'm also willing to send him a personal letter explaining why we foreign fans are acting like this. Do you know how I can get in touch with him?

However, let's say he's willing to speak for us and goes to Avex Trax. If nothing happens afterwards and we are still being ignored, followed by more channels being deleted and more videos being blocked, we're not going to be quiet about it because we are sick and tired of being treated like we don't exist.

Honestly, I'm very grateful that Roberto is willing to help us out, but he needs to be aware of why we foreign fans are really angry right now due to these recent events and that he needs to bring it to the attention to Avex Trax.

SEB Official on Facebook asked us nearly four years if we would like Eurobeat to sold more in foreign countries and we told them, "Yes, please do!" It's nearly 2017 now and it still hasn't happened. So he needs to know just why we've been so frustrated over the last few years.

Posted by: xiao Nov 30 2016, 01:44 PM

From a business standpoint re-printing all their catalogue of discs would be a financial loss ~ even by a big record company like Avex's standards. They don't re-print them even within Japan. Mr. Fujimura (see pic below) knows that the whole world wants SEB on bandcamp. But according to Avex ~ that would be an equal potential of finances loss just like having someone named "Eurolovers" upload all their songs w/o permission to YouTube.

I've been trying to incite both foreign & Japanese fans into the idea of a Bandcamp account ~ but it all falls on deaf ears. Again, Eurolovers wasn't taken down by Avex but by the studios ... Avex doesn't care about YouTube as much as the people that are actually making those songs. Your real beef is with the producers that chose to "takedown" those song. You keep risking a channel deletion or further legal action if you chose to upload something that someone else made.

I love YouTube but those are the cold facts:

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Posted by: iheartmiho Nov 30 2016, 03:18 PM

QUOTE (TheWhiteEagle @ 1 hour, 56 minutes ago)

The problem here is undue anger. I am very sad about the YT channel going down, but if they [whoever they are] had the legal course to do it, they did. Avex really doesn't owe anyone anything, in the whole scheme of things. By you saying, "we're not going to be quiet" and "sick and tired of not being treated like we exist" is emoting that Avex owes us something.

Imagine if you worked in retail and someone came into your shop, screaming and yelling at you for bad reasons, would you want and try to do business with them? No. However, if the customer is upset, but has logical reasons and maintains their composure, you'd want to work with them. SAME THING HERE.

I hate the fact that we can't get SEB digitally here in the USA, but writing an angry letter does nothing.

If I could write to Roberto, I'd say, "Hey. There's this huge, untapped market outside of Japan really wanting to buy SEB, digitally. I know there may be legal issues (licensing, etc.), but we are very willing to pay what Avex is going to make available to us. Please please consider this as it could make SEB more profitable".

Again, I agree with you to a point, but the way you write your posts seems like a bit of an overkill, emotionally. Find logical reasons and let Avex knows why it'd be in their best interest to make releases available internationally. Anger towards the creator does nothing and sets you back even further.

Posted by: kyonpalm Nov 30 2016, 03:30 PM

QUOTE (iheartmiho @ 7 minutes, 21 seconds ago)

By you saying, "we're not going to be quiet" and "sick and tired of not being treated like we exist" is emoting that Avex owes us something.

Not really. It's simply the market giving the maker a wakeup call.

QUOTE (iheartmiho @ 7 minutes, 21 seconds ago)

Imagine if you worked in retail and someone came into your shop, screaming and yelling at you for bad reasons, would you want and try to do business with them?

They aren't bad reasons though. Sure yelling at them probably won't be productive, but speaking politely (on their own terms no less, in the form of their own polls) hasn't gotten their attention. There's literally no reason for Avex not to make SEB available to download worldwide through whatever platform(s) they want. I've said this a million times for years upon years - no one knows how to kill their own business like the people running SEB at Avex.

Posted by: M2-EB Nov 30 2016, 04:02 PM

QUOTE (xiao @ 2 hours, 18 minutes ago)

Again, Eurolovers wasn't taken down by Avex but by the studios ... Avex doesn't care about YouTube as much as the people that are actually making those songs. Your real beef is with the producers that chose to "takedown" those song. You keep risking a channel deletion or further legal action if you chose to upload something that someone else made.

Ehh… sorry to break this for you but… yes, it was Avex. They're so desperate people keep on uploading eurobeat on YouTube, they're claiming literally everything without checking. The producers have little to no power in what happens since Avex is above them. About SEB, especifically, there's nothing saying that someone may not remix, edit or use parts of their works for non-profitable purposes - so true that, on my channel, Avex itself monetize some of these videos and is "okay" with that - my problem lies with their nonsensical witch hunting these last months. I'm risking my channel for appealing fake claims they're doing relentlessly. If they want me to delete these videos? Ok, say which one and I will. If their idea is to make profit regardless and not checking just blocking or muting videos unfairly? Well, I have a problem with that.

Posted by: Shintaro Nov 30 2016, 07:54 PM

QUOTE (xiao @ 6 hours, 10 minutes ago)

Again, Eurolovers wasn't taken down by Avex but by the studios

Actually your wrong it was Avex. Those who actually put albums SEB albums on youtube will know Avex is the one that takes down videos. Only on one occasion did I have Delta Studios take my video down and that was not on the main series itself but for JGTC 2002.

Posted by: Teh Asphyx Nov 30 2016, 11:20 PM

It really seems to be Avex. When I posted my Ganguro cover it was Rimonti Publishing who claimed the song. Now it's “One or more music publishing rights collecting societies”. The same goes for my Dream of You cover (only that it wasn't Rimonti, but I don't remember the company's name). So there is something new happening. Maybe they're inexperienced with the system yet? I think it would be nice if there was a contact person to talk about stuff like that to Avex.

Posted by: Crockett Dec 1 2016, 08:11 AM

QUOTE (TheWhiteEagle @ Yesterday, 1:21 PM)

Okay, I'm willing to hear what Roberto has to say. I'm also willing to send him a personal letter explaining why we foreign fans are acting like this.

After his report and when he woke up Avex, it has happened what you're now angry on. So this help is simply limited to gain legal sale for those, who don't treat YouTube as the source.

There is nothing to add and explain him. He is aware the situation and prices for imported CDs to some countries as well.

Who read his posts on Eurobeat Prime knows already.

Anyway without these problems of international fans, which don't rather exist in Japan, he won't never accept what he calls theft and fans looking for free alternatives of CDs either digital files. He can only provide fans request about whole SEB distribution and he will try to do something under Delta to sell on his own. You surely understand that's absolutely all effort of the italian producer contracted with Avex Trax.

You haven't even one common opinion among the most disappointed fans, nobody still hasn't written any letter. I see no motivation.

QUOTE (TheWhiteEagle @ Yesterday, 1:21 PM)

If nothing happens afterwards and we are still being ignored, followed by more channels being deleted and more videos being blocked, we're not going to be quiet about it because we are sick and tired of being treated like we don't exist.

QUOTE (TheWhiteEagle @ Yesterday, 1:21 PM)

SEB Official on Facebook asked us nearly four years if we would like Eurobeat to sold more in foreign countries and we told them, "Yes, please do!"

Over 400 persons replied from the all world.

400 shared between a few, over a dozen countries, maybe a little more.

So summarizing theoretically, from just single votes to maximum several dozen from one country could be.

How many thousands subscribed Eurolovers and exactly for what? I forgot, 4000 or 40 000? No matter.

Immense superiority of people count on mysterious user on YouTube, gives them music easy for free. And I'm afraid it's the target of majority, the most painful and resulted increased activity in social media by fans after he has been blocked.

Posted by: M2-EB Dec 1 2016, 08:24 AM

See? This is the point: Avex preferred to shutdown some channel with over 40000 subscribers because they (seemingly) listened music "for free", than to use it in their favor. They want to keep this market small and niche, we're wasting time trying to reason here, from all places.

I won't try to talk them into make shit available overseas and beg for them to go digital. I'd rather listen on streaming tbh

Posted by: kyonpalm Dec 1 2016, 08:25 AM

QUOTE (Crockett @ 14 minutes, 5 seconds ago)

Over 400 persons replied from the all world.

400 shared between a few, over a dozen countries, maybe a little more.

So summarizing theoretically, from just single votes to maximum several dozen from one country could be.

How many thousands subscribed Eurolovers and exactly for what? I forgot, 4000 or 40 000? No matter.

Immense superiority of people count on mysterious user on YouTube, give them music easy for free. And I'm afriad it's the target of majority, the most painful and resulted increased activity in social media by fans after he has been blocked.

400 people claiming they'd buy SEB if it were available in their countr(ies) vs. 40,000 people subscribed to a eurobeat channel on YouTube is apples and oranges. The difference doesn't mean anything. There are thousands and thousands of eurobeat songs people like - is everyone expected to pay for every one of them? This is really just getting back into the moral argument, which we really don't need to do. The fact of the matter is Avex cannot lose by making the SEB catalog available for digital download worldwide. There is no risk in investing because it's literally a matter of a few button clicks and it's done. $0.00. Only way to go is up. Why they refuse to do this is beyond my comprehension.

Posted by: xiao Dec 1 2016, 09:43 AM

QUOTE (kyonpalm @ 1 hour, 17 minutes ago)

Why they refuse to do this is beyond my comprehension.

Keyword potential loss.

They're afraid it's just gonna facilitate piracy ~ go fig ~

A Bandcamp account with new SEB's would be the perfect solution.

And speaking with Tadanae Fujimura is the only way to ever get closer to that dream.

Posted by: kyonpalm Dec 1 2016, 09:59 AM

QUOTE (xiao @ 12 minutes, 25 seconds ago)

They're afraid it's just gonna facilitate piracy ~ go fig ~

Says who? That doesn't make any sense.

QUOTE (xiao @ 12 minutes, 25 seconds ago)

A Bandcamp account with new SEB's would be the perfect solution.

Depends on what cut Bandcamp would take vs. whatever other service they could use here. Also, if they're worried about people wanting to stream it for free (say, on YouTube via someone like EUROLOVERS) they could just take control of that themselves put it all on Spotify - at least then they'll be getting some money out of it.

I would look at the massive collection of eurobeat that's been digitized and archived, from all of SEB to all of Maharajah Night, laugh at Avex and say they can just get fucked 'cause it doesn't make a difference to me, but the sad part is it isn't really Avex getting fucked, it's the Italians. Avex made all their wildest successes a reality 20-25 years ago but now it's just a big insult.

Posted by: xiao Dec 1 2016, 11:14 AM

QUOTE (kyonpalm @ 25 minutes, 46 seconds ago)

Says who? That doesn't make any sense.

Well it's easier to file-share pre-made digital files than to rip a CD ~ that's a facilitation.

No source. But it's the only logical thought process besides slapping a xenophobe-label on Avex (which they are) that makes any sense from a business standpoint.

Read all of DarkSquid's posts on this topic & you'd arrive at the same conclusion.

I exchanged a few e-mails with Fujimura back when 240 was being released ~ personally, and I think Sjoerd would agree if you talk to him on FB, speaking to Fujimura would be the only solution. Cause Dima & SCP have Bandcamps but they obviously don't make any money...

...and if you're a business & you're not making any money from something you own: you're technically losing money. Like IBM & Intel and why they can their ideas instead of selling or developing them ~ they're better off financially making new things. And I think the same applies to Avex ~ digital would mean losing money to them.

...and of course they're xenophobes.

Posted by: TheWhiteEagle Dec 1 2016, 03:47 PM

QUOTE (Crockett @ 7 hours, 35 minutes ago)

You haven't even one common opinion among the most disappointed fans, nobody still hasn't written any letter. I see no motivation.

Okay, what's his username on Eurobeat Prime? I'll speak to him there.

Posted by: Crockett Dec 1 2016, 04:43 PM

QUOTE (TheWhiteEagle @ 56 minutes, 20 seconds ago)

Okay, what's his username on Eurobeat Prime? I'll speak to him there.

dr.gabriel

He is on Facebook of course too. I will let him know to check PM box.

If you would follow these all pages of arguing in thread about SEB 241, where I supported his point of view and tried to explain this, if you would know what he said, you really wouldn't plan to speak him again. What will change flooding regrets to one producer? Just write the official text to Avex.

He wants to help only that way as he can between fans and publisher, but if you're going to repeat what he knows or never would accept, it's waste of your time and possible next reason to scare him of international fans.

Posted by: TheWhiteEagle Dec 2 2016, 06:12 PM

QUOTE (Crockett @ Yesterday, 4:43 PM)

I think it's been answered already on EBP but is he a newcomer to the Eurobeat genre?

Posted by: iheartmiho Dec 2 2016, 08:04 PM

QUOTE (TheWhiteEagle @ 1 hour, 52 minutes ago)

I think it's been answered already on EBP but is he a newcomer to the Eurobeat genre?

He's been around for a long time!

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Posted by: MAiCHAN91 Dec 5 2016, 11:55 AM

QUOTE (Teh Asphyx @ Nov 30 2016, 12:24 PM)

I think this is a nice offer. I guess we can talk to Roberto the Western way and he will hopefully do the business talk the Japanese way. I see more chances that way than signing a petition.

Q: How are we gonna do that? Some petitions don't work you know, well some petitions do work yeah.

Posted by: TheWhiteEagle Dec 5 2016, 01:08 PM

QUOTE (MAiCHAN91 @ 1 hour, 12 minutes ago)

Q: How are we gonna do that? Some petitions don't work you know, well some petitions do work yeah.

Do you have a better idea?

From my post on EBP:

I just spoken with Roberto Gabrielli through an open letter I sent him yesterday. He understands our frustration and acknowledges what we want so he's going to everything he can to try to get Eurobeat online.

In addition, he also gave me a surprising revelation. According to him, EUROLOVERS wasn't terminated because the person running it uploaded songs from SEB 241. It was actually because the person was monetizing the videos when he/she wasn't suppose to and when Roberto and others tried to talk to the person about it they were ignored. So the truth is that the producers don't have any issue with people uploading Eurobeat music on YouTube as long as they don't try to monetize them. EUROLOVERS was strictly told not to and yet the person did it anyway. Roberto takes responsibility for what happened and apologizes for it, but it had to be done.

If this is true then I have to take back what I said about EUROLOVERS doing it for nothing because it shows that he/she was dishonest and therefore deserved to have their channel taken down. I'm still upset about it, but now for a totally different reason. EUROLOVERS should have known better than to monetize the videos.

Posted by: xiao Dec 5 2016, 01:27 PM

QUOTE (TheWhiteEagle @ 16 minutes, 58 seconds ago)

...EUROLOVERS should have known better than to monetize the videos.

...riiiiight ~ so was Cy-Ro monetizing off the videos too...?

Where's all the SEB's he used to have up on his channel...?

♫

Posted by: Nerubian Dec 5 2016, 01:29 PM

How did Roberto figured out that they used songs commercially? And if there's nothing wrong with uploading their songs, why not just make a new channel?

Posted by: xiao Dec 5 2016, 01:48 PM

☆ N64 ~

Posted by: M2-EB Dec 5 2016, 01:50 PM

QUOTE (TheWhiteEagle @ 30 minutes, 9 seconds ago)

(…) According to him, EUROLOVERS wasn't terminated because the person running it uploaded songs from SEB 241. It was actually because the person was monetizing the videos when he/she wasn't suppose to

QUOTE (xiao @ 12 minutes, 4 seconds ago)

...riiiiight ~ so was Cy-Ro monetizing off the videos too...?

Where's all the SEB's he used to have up on his channel...?

♫

Implying

I have an eurobeat channel myself and I can't monetize stuff because, guess what? Copyright (Avex & Co. do monetize when they want because it's their right to do so). Channels don't get terminated out of nowhere, something fishy is going on.

QUOTE (Nerubian @ 9 minutes, 40 seconds ago)

How did Roberto figured out that they used songs commercially? And if there's nothing wrong with uploading their songs, why not just make a new channel?

Because it won't solve the problem. YouTube is a extremely flawed platform yet with powerful features. I'm changing to Vimeo even though it's much more limited, they're not as annoying with copyright and that stuff too.

Posted by: TheWhiteEagle Dec 5 2016, 01:52 PM

QUOTE (Nerubian @ 22 minutes, 51 seconds ago)

How did Roberto figured out that they used songs commercially? And if there's nothing wrong with uploading their songs, why not just make a new channel?

It was most likely videos that had an advertisement on them, mainly the more famous ones like those that were featured in Initial D. I recall that Night Of Fire was closing on two million views by the time the channel was taken down and it always had a commercial on it before it played. I thought YouTube did that automatically through the content ID system.

We might get a new channel provided that Avex doesn't try to butt in too much or the person doesn't try to cheat the producers.

Posted by: M2-EB Dec 5 2016, 02:01 PM

QUOTE (TheWhiteEagle @ 9 minutes, 7 seconds ago)

Because they were monetized by Avex. It's pointless trying to go against them on YouTube because that will only lead to their win, pretty much. It's their music, they can do whatever lol

This channel is doing good so far

Posted by: Cy-Ro Dec 5 2016, 02:16 PM

QUOTE (xiao @ 49 minutes, 13 seconds ago)

...riiiiight ~ so was Cy-Ro monetizing off the videos too...?

Nein!

Posted by: xiao Dec 5 2016, 04:04 PM

QUOTE (Cy-Ro @ 1 hour, 20 minutes ago)

Nein!

haha ~ I know my friend ♥ user posted image

☆

~ now let's forget about this YT mumbo jumbo & eagerly await SEB 242 in Valentine's Day woot woot!＼(^o^)／☆ ♪ ♫

Posted by: TheWhiteEagle Dec 6 2016, 03:17 PM

QUOTE (xiao @ Yesterday, 4:04 PM)

~ now let's forget about this YT mumbo jumbo & eagerly await SEB 242 in Valentine's Day woot woot!＼(^o^)／☆ ♪ ♫

Easy for you to say. Those of us who had to rely on YouTube for our Eurobeat experience we may never get to hear the new album aside from the preview.

Posted by: xiao Dec 6 2016, 07:46 PM

QUOTE (TheWhiteEagle @ 14 minutes, 37 seconds ago)

Easy for you to say. Those of us who had to rely on YouTube for our Eurobeat experience we may never get to hear the new album aside from the preview.

⭐ I'm just jaded by the internets brother ~ totally didn't mean to sound patronizing ~ however ...

⭐ ~ patience is always teh key my friend (///▽///)~ ♫

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Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 6 2016, 09:17 PM

QUOTE (TheWhiteEagle @ 5 hours, 59 minutes ago)

Easy for you to say. Those of us who had to rely on YouTube for our Eurobeat experience we may never get to hear the new album aside from the preview.

If you rely on Youtube for music, I feel very, very bad for you.

Posted by: xiao Dec 6 2016, 09:58 PM

QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 41 minutes, 6 seconds ago)

If you rely on Youtube for music, I feel very, very bad for you.

What is VLC Media Player for 200 Trebek!

Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 6 2016, 10:27 PM

Why would you use VLC for music!?

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It has been recently revealed by a Covert Ops™ NHK TV crew working late night at the ungodly hour of 18:45 PM JST

The true identity of the mysterious and enigmatic EUROLOVERS

Anonymous tip via someone calling himself "Citizen Quattro Bajeena" revealed last night in prominent Japanese Only Speaking BBS NRGExpressway.cd

That EUROLOVERS was indeed an Avex DJ working for Avex themselves

In an unprecedented turn of events -- as the NHK™crew unveiled the dead body of a strange creature covered in what could only be described as cat-food

National Japanese Television via a small Tokyo radio antennae -- lo and behold in awestruck as they saw with their own eyes the True Proof that EUROLOVERS was none other than

DJ Hello Kitty

Let us take a moment of silence for the passing of this beloved mascot that once fooled the world with it's despicably deceptive and cuddly paws

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YOUTUBE ( https://youtube.com/watch?v=J0u_4hJKlYA )

True Story [citation needed]

Posted by: Nomake Wan Dec 7 2016, 02:19 AM

Damn, drugs in Texas must be bigger too.

Posted by: xiao Dec 7 2016, 06:38 AM

QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ 4 hours, 13 minutes ago)

Damn, drugs in Texas must be bigger too.

When we tried to talk to EUROLOVERS we were ignored! Therefore the logical conclusion based on the assertion of the discovery last night by the NHK™ crew is spot-on! user posted image

The reason we were ignored was because EUROLOVERS didn't know how to properly communicate with humans.

When it is scientifically proven that felines can only enounce the alphanumerical language in meow's purrz and nyan's depending on what country they reside in.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ASO_zypdnsQ

[citation not needed when it's medical mary juana]

Posted by: TheWhiteEagle Dec 7 2016, 08:48 AM

QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ Yesterday, 9:17 PM)

If you rely on Youtube for music, I feel very, very bad for you.

Only when it comes to Eurobeat. Anything else I usually buy or listen to on the radio.

And xiao, are you being serious or are you seriously trying to troll us all? Because I'm not laughing. I know you're not particularly affected by these recent events but show a little more sympathy.

Posted by: Crockett Dec 7 2016, 09:28 AM

Give us break...

I was too much active when the discussion concerned copyrights...

But how long some controversial guy, in practice internet nickname will be a basical topic on Facebook and both Eurobeat forums, more important than artists, labels and music ?

Neither japanese fan you can meet on Facebook doesn't talk, either cry for the case, which becames the past.

TheWhiteEagle got reply from Roberto Gabrielli, but some other people have own theories and start gossips day by day far from Roberto's explanations.

Somebody who has access to all possible tracks, even unreleased isn't a fan from here, maybe DJ, also no matter, but must have permission or just illegal access to companies. That's all already meaningless.

Posted by: M2-EB Dec 7 2016, 09:28 AM

If not Youtube, people will rely on other things like Spotify, it's simple and a lot more convenient lol
Does it matter who was the person behind that channel? Eurolovers is over, they never answered anyone or never talked. I care a lot more about other channels starting to put up their collections out there.

QUOTE (Crockett @ 41 seconds ago)

But how long some controversial guy, in practice internet nickname will be a basical topic on Facebook and both Eurobeat forums, more important than artists, labels and music ?

Neither japanese fan you can meet on Facebook doesn't talk, either cry for the case, which becames the past.

TheWhiteEagle got reply from Roberto Gabrielli, but some other people have own theories and start gossips day by day far from Roberto's explanations.

So artists, labels and music are more important than other ordinary people? Okay lol

Japanese fans are privileged with (somewhat) easier access to these albums and eurobeat in general, that and the fact that they're more reserved than westerns makes it pretty pointless to compare with people on the other side of the globe.

When that person make an YouTube channel, upload eurobeat songs and see that it's not possible to monetize these videos I might believe something. It's not theory, just a fact that many won't bother to check. Well, my opinion doesn't really matter, eh? Even though I know what I'm talking about, unlike some people

Posted by: skibblesx Dec 7 2016, 09:38 AM

man this gets better every day

Posted by: M2-EB Dec 7 2016, 09:49 AM

I know right?

Posted by: Crockett Dec 7 2016, 09:51 AM

QUOTE (M2-EB @ 22 minutes, 30 seconds ago)

So artists, labels and music are more important than other ordinary people? Okay lol

Just after these all weeks it becomes boring and tired, focusing on him.

Look, we posted the same, Eurolovers is over, what a difference.

The main hero is YouTube user, parallel we have less topics about music, including labels, so artists as well.

Posted by: xiao Dec 7 2016, 10:43 AM

QUOTE (TheWhiteEagle @ Dec 7 2016, 10:48 AM)

And xiao, are you being serious or are you seriously trying to troll us all? Because I'm not laughing. I know you're not particularly affected by these recent events but show a little more sympathy.

QUOTE (xiao @ Dec 7 2016, 04:03 AM)

National Japanese Television via a small Tokyo radio antennae -- lo and behold in awestruck as they saw with their own eyes the True Proof that EUROLOVERS was none other than

DJ Hello Kitty™

Let us take a moment of silence for the passing of this beloved mascot that once fooled the world with it's despicably deceptive and cuddly paws (of doom)

✝

SPOILER

Posted by: Teh Asphyx Dec 7 2016, 10:44 AM

Don't get fooled by appearance, Xiao is one of the most serious people I ever met. Oops … I don't know if I was allowed to tell this secret. xD

It really IS ridiculous about what people are fighting these days while all important things are abandoned. And making fun of it is a very serious way to confront it.

Posted by: kyonpalm Dec 7 2016, 11:04 AM

QUOTE (TheWhiteEagle @ 2 hours, 13 minutes ago)

And xiao, are you being serious or are you seriously trying to troll us all? Because I'm not laughing. I know you're not particularly affected by these recent events but show a little more sympathy.

Who died?

Posted by: iheartmiho Dec 7 2016, 01:49 PM

QUOTE (kyonpalm @ 2 hours, 44 minutes ago)

Who died?

^THIS...

WhiteEagle, you have to admit, it's a bit over the top the way you've taken this about the whole topic. It was a damn YT channel, not a person. I have to chuckle the way this thread has gone even since the OP.