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kyonpalm | Posted: Dec 1 2014, 08:16 AM |
Professional Amateur Group: ADMINISTRATOR Posts: 10,568 Member No.: 30,882 Joined: Oct 16th 2008 Location: Laniakea | Image size reduced, original size: unknown. Click here to view the image in its original dimension. http://www.evangelion.co.jp/sp/ng.html IT'S FUCKING HAPPENING. |
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Nomake Wan | Posted: Dec 1 2014, 07:26 PM |
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kyonpalm | Posted: Dec 1 2014, 07:33 PM |
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Rudy | Posted: Dec 1 2014, 07:35 PM |
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THE_HONDA_CG2 | Posted: Dec 1 2014, 08:19 PM |
Patient Zero Group: Advanced Members Posts: 4,279 Member No.: 37,947 Joined: Oct 1st 2011 Location: Update Profile | I'm a fan of the series and all, but I don't think $1000 will justify any blu-ray purchase of mine unless it includes about $800+ worth of goodies and extras. |
Nomake Wan | Posted: Dec 2 2014, 06:28 AM | ||
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Japanese BD prices disregard your silly American concept of value. | ||
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Seri | Posted: Dec 2 2014, 07:13 AM |
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THE_HONDA_CG2 | Posted: Dec 2 2014, 08:44 AM | ||
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kyonpalm | Posted: Dec 2 2014, 08:45 AM | ||
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I'm basing my 1k on the fact that the Gurren Lagann box was $700. I am, for the record, being 100% serious when I say $1,000. | ||
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Rudy | Posted: Dec 2 2014, 08:45 AM |
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Nomake Wan | Posted: Dec 3 2014, 08:39 AM | ||
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Again, please note that the Japanese completely disregard your filthy gaijin concepts of value. I believe I've already done this once before, but let's review, shall we? Average Eroge (New): ~9000 yen Average Anime Bluray Boxset (13 episodes): 23000 yen Average Anime Bluray Boxset (25 episodes): 35000 yen Average New Film Bluray: 6000 yen Of course, then you have what I consider to be the true value... Average JAV (HD): 2000 yen Why? Well it's simple. Your average JAV has like 4 hours of content for 2000 yen. Of course, then you can argue that the content is not nearly as complex or detailed as the content of the above items but meh! Meh I says! Now of course, please do keep in mind that the US hasn't been totally exempt from ridiculous pricing either. Ignoring Aniplex's verbatim import of Japanese media pricing, let's go with an older example, shall we? Star Trek: The Next Generation DVD Boxset: $700 Star Trek: Voyager DVD Boxset: $500 As a note, with current pricing the blurays for ST:TNG would come out to $420. Now, the difference here is that you're getting an entire season of Star Trek remastered in 1080p from scratch for $60 a pop. This is in stark contrast to Japan, where 6000 yen nets you...a few episodes of an Anime, at best? I believe the DVDs for Wangan Midnight were $60 each (and had two episodes per DVD). So while $420 is expensive, sure, it's not as expensive as you'd think. The DVD boxsets were way more expensive and were transfers from VHS masters. Anyway, those are some quick numbers. Note I was going with MSRP on all of these, so I'm sure you can get everything here for cheaper nowadays if you tried. Doesn't change the facts, though. This post has been edited by Nomake Wan on Dec 3 2014, 08:41 AM | ||
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kyonpalm | Posted: Dec 3 2014, 10:51 AM | ||
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Rudy | Posted: Dec 3 2014, 12:41 PM |
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Nomake Wan | Posted: Dec 4 2014, 01:42 AM | ||
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I'm not sure where you're getting your $90-an-episode figure. Even if we go with Kyonpalm's $1500 figure, that puts each episode at $57.70. At $1000 it'd be $38.46. However, regardless of the number, this is not a value you have to stomach. Keep in mind that this is the Japanese market and we have heard nothing about an international release. Unless you're planning on importing this boxset yourself and adding it to your collection despite it being entirely in Japanese, then the entire discussion is moot for you. As to the rest of your post, however, almost all Anime has traditionally been supported by its goods. Primarily the DVD/bluray sales, yes, but also the associated goods such as OSTs, OP/ED singles, character CDs, posters, figures, etc etc etc. It's the sale of physical goods that keeps shows afloat and this is not new in any way, shape or form. I don't know when this concept started, but I do know that at least as far back as 1979 with Mobile Suit Gundam it has been a thing. Networks, commercials and syndication are a pittance. I don't have any hard numbers for you but I do know that without the sale of physical goods a series dies. Plain and simple. Anime can't be that expensive to make, can it? Now I know that you are disconnected from the reality of the industry. I happen to have hard numbers for at least two Anime from back in 2007, Bamboo Blade and Toaru Majutsu no Index. Bamboo Blade was a two-cours show which apparently operated on something of a shoestring budget, costing only roughly 10,000,000 yen (SOURCE). Toaru, on the other hand, apparently cost 300,000,000 yen (!!) to produce (SOURCE). So a shoestring budget is roughly $100,000. A blockbuster series like Toaru is $3,000,000. That's a lot of money. Now, do note that this is production from scratch. This topic is about a bluray remaster for Evangelion. Now, either they can go the Nuku Nuku/Initial D route and just upscale the original masters (which looks like absolute shit), which is super easy and super sleazy, and is essentially printing money since the cost would essentially just be media and distribution. If, however, they're actually going back and re-shooting the cels (that is, if they have the original film still to shoot from), then that's quite a bit of cost going into essentially creating entirely new digital masters from an analog format. Done right this looks spectacular (check out the blurays for Turn A Gundam, which was mastered from 35mm film as an example), but done wrong it can look blurry or off-color. Basically, to make sure that a smash series like Evangelion gets it done right they're not going to let some scrub conversion house do it. This is gonna cost some serious dosh to get done right. As much as producing a new series? Probably not, but it will still cost a pretty penny. And finally, you're not exactly Mr. Current Events. ADV no longer exists and hasn't for several years. As far as I'm aware it's FUNimation that holds the Evangelion rights as they're the distributor for Rebuild, but we'll see. They will likely price it somewhere between what we consider 'normal' price and what Japanese consider 'normal' price if it's localized. They still have to offset their own costs, after all--going over the digital masters and adding the English content--so while I doubt they'd charge anywhere near $1000 for the boxset it will definitely be over $100. I know this because the retail cost for Robotics;Notes, a 22-episode series, was $120. Steins;Gate--25 episodes--was $160. Now, both have dropped to $50 and $25 (!) as it's been quite a long time since they came out, but yeah. As for how much the licensing process costs/nets, I do not have figures for that. | ||
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kyonpalm | Posted: Dec 4 2014, 08:54 AM | ||||||||||||||||
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That was Miura Seri's figure, for the record. My bet was $1,000.
It is also for this reason we will never have Nichijou S2.
If soundtracks count as goods-supporting-the-series, that goes way back. Yamato had soundtrack LPs and plenty of series had records released as early as the '60s (I have a Speed Racer promotional flexi, for instance).
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While "Kill Me Baby" ran on payments of pocket lint and rubber bands (AND WE STILL WON'T SEE A SECOND SEASON).
Another good example is the outstanding job done on Serial Experiments Lain's remaster. I compare any other remaster job to that one. Image size reduced, original size: 1520 x 1080. Click here to view the image in its original dimension.
I have my doubts that it'll even be brought over here. Importing (from America to Japan) is a real concern, since one could just buy an US pressing and instantly save literally hundreds. That said, it would be a massive moneymaker here, so I think they'll probably just wait some months before putting it out stateside. | ||||||||||||||||
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Rudy | Posted: Dec 4 2014, 01:02 PM |
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Seri | Posted: Feb 2 2015, 08:15 AM |
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>only 38000 yen | ||
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THE_HONDA_CG2 | Posted: Feb 2 2015, 09:29 PM | ||
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I'm feelin this. I'm feelin this very strongly. If only my paychecks were big enough to support this in addition to my rent and food costs though... | ||
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Nomake Wan | Posted: Feb 3 2015, 10:20 PM | ||
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It's not unheard of for established DVD series to include English dubs when released on bluray in Japan (Utawarerumono, for instance, was dual-audio), but the Gainax page doesn't list specifications for the audio/video of the boxsets so we have no way of knowing just yet. I did just notice that the bluray set includes a bonus 5.1ch master of the 22-track OST. That's...impressive. | ||
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Falbere | Posted: Feb 3 2015, 10:24 PM | ||
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It is not very often to have dual-audio though. most of them is just Japanese, some of them english subbed, right? | ||
Nomake Wan | Posted: Feb 3 2015, 11:00 PM | ||
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It's more common to feature a dub than it is to feature a sub if I'm recalling correctly. | ||
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kyonpalm | Posted: Aug 27 2015, 10:46 AM | ||
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UPDATE: IT'S STILL FUCKING HAPPENING. Image size reduced, original size: 1440 x 1080. Click here to view the image in its original dimension. Image size reduced, original size: 1920 x 1080. Click here to view the image in its original dimension. Image size reduced, original size: 2560 x 1080. Click here to view the image in its original dimension. Now the wait for rips. | ||
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xiao | Posted: Aug 27 2015, 11:27 AM | ||
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hahaha... oh Shinji, even in high-def it still doesn't count. XD | ||
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