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s12drifter | Posted: Jul 31 2012, 12:53 PM |
The Lulz Boat Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,363 Member No.: 23,696 Joined: Mar 21st 2007 Location: Update Profile | lol okay i blew my VG30ET a ringland let go and left me with 0 compression and a sh!t load of blow by. i will never work with another VG again to make power. so concerns are reliability needs to be able to make about 600hp or more on stock internals AND be reliable. remember this is going to be a daily driven engine yes wear is a concern as well but im not going to be going 500hp all day LOL but not so little either. both motors need to have availability for parts i can go to the j yard for another 2jz i cant for a rb26. expense BOTH motors are expensive both because of the "supra" and "GT-R" tax. this is going to be a budget and wont happen over night. a full 2jz swap with everything i need will run me around 2,000 for a full swap, rb = 2,888 or 3k sometimes 2,500 either way it doesnt come with the transmission i need. weight of each engine fully dressed and powerband and how well it can make power as well, both are VERY efficient motors. what is everyones opinion on this. this will go in the Z but please look past the "oh a toyota in a nissan" please and look at the shear performance of each engine. this has been asked before on google but always on a toyota forum or nissan forum, i want completely unbiased opinions on this. This post has been edited by s12drifter on Jul 31 2012, 12:56 PM |
Spaz | Posted: Jul 31 2012, 01:40 PM |
Just a guy towing a car across the country to chase a dream. Group: FORUM MODERATOR Posts: 9,272 Member No.: 30,193 Joined: Jul 25th 2008 Location: Plymouth, MN | 2J. Lots of available parts, both stock and aftermarket, and quite easy to make a ton of power with. |
backalleyracer | Posted: Jul 31 2012, 02:34 PM |
IDW Goldmember Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,770 Member No.: 7,122 Joined: May 1st 2005 Location: Las Vegas | if you live in america, this is a nearly retarded discussion 2J |
Tessou | Posted: Jul 31 2012, 02:46 PM |
More NEGATIVE than a black hole Group: ADMINISTRATOR Posts: 19,345 Member No.: 12,263 Joined: Sep 12th 2005 Location: Update Profile | Wow, I wish I lived in your crazy dreamland where a full engine swap only costs 2k. |
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MattW | Posted: Jul 31 2012, 03:07 PM |
VOLVO For Life. Group: Advanced Members Posts: 6,069 Member No.: 23,273 Joined: Feb 17th 2007 Location: Southington Connecticut, USA | if you dont pay for someone to do the work they're not that expensive. also, OP, LS1. This post has been edited by MattW on Jul 31 2012, 03:07 PM |
s12drifter | Posted: Jul 31 2012, 03:22 PM | ||
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YEESSSSS I was looking for one but so many different variations i dont know which to pick. if i go ls1 it will be boosted (twin turbos, single turbo, s/c some form of boost) some range from 1-5k. then again i dont need like a billion hp LOL is the 2j reliable? i hear some people go through them like nothing will only be aiming for 500hp This post has been edited by s12drifter on Jul 31 2012, 03:35 PM | ||
Tessou | Posted: Jul 31 2012, 03:31 PM | ||
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So the entire point of the thread has become moot? | ||
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Nomake Wan | Posted: Jul 31 2012, 04:20 PM | ||
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There are MkIV Supra drivers laughing right now at how little power your 2J is making. | ||
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MetalMan777 | Posted: Jul 31 2012, 06:28 PM |
Snooping as usual Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,780 Member No.: 32,588 Joined: Apr 13th 2009 Location: what are you doing in my swamp? | I'm going to go with either the Elephant, or a BMW M10. If they're good enough for Don Prudhomme and Nelson Piquet respectively, they're good enough for anybody. But seriously, power isn't everything. I'd recommend you pick up an engine that's got sufficient parts availability, but is by no means a common swap. Do something that would be a conversation piece, and revel in the attention you'll get at car shows. Instead of LS1 (which is a pretty easy swap, hell, somebody probably makes a kit for your car) why not do a Honda F20C, or perhaps an Infiniti V8? |
Wanderer | Posted: Jul 31 2012, 07:08 PM |
The Watcher Group: Advanced Members Posts: 914 Member No.: 35,816 Joined: Jun 24th 2010 Location: San Jose, CA | Don't know of applicable to this scenario, but a buddy of mine is putting an Aristo 2J in a Cressida. Total is around $8k. A Supra's 2J would have been more expensive for him. Just some facts bro. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
Shirogane | Posted: Jul 31 2012, 09:12 PM | ||
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You're talking about the VK series engines they had back in the Q45 and up? I don't think they have a very decent aftermarket scene, and it's the same story with the Toyota UZ engines found 1996 and up. | ||
sometrueno | Posted: Aug 1 2012, 01:10 AM |
◆フェアレディZ POWER◆ Group: Advanced Members Posts: 976 Member No.: 11,599 Joined: Aug 28th 2005 Location: Update Profile | >living in america >blowing up engine >not swapping in some sort of v8 scooby dooby doo i shiggidy diggidy doo |
MetalMan777 | Posted: Aug 1 2012, 03:06 AM | ||
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It's a V8, there are plenty of ways to boost power with or without a big aftermarket. But really, does anybody need 500+ horsepower? If you're not racing, I don't think power is really that important. Having something cool is a much bigger priority, and if a vk bolts to a readily available tranny that fits a Z, it suddenly makes a lot more sense. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] | ||
s12drifter | Posted: Aug 1 2012, 06:44 AM | ||||
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i knoow but it worrys me a little though, you know streetfigter he pushes 800hp he's gone through 5 2jz's so that kind of worrys me a bit of the reliablity of a 2j, i wont make 800hp only 500 but im curious as to that.
lol should i also slam my car and camber my wheels too? I'm a power junkie LOL i could careless about how the car looks unless it effects aerodynamics lol | ||||
Tessou | Posted: Aug 1 2012, 06:50 AM |
More NEGATIVE than a black hole Group: ADMINISTRATOR Posts: 19,345 Member No.: 12,263 Joined: Sep 12th 2005 Location: Update Profile | In before rusted body but 1000hp. |
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MetalMan777 | Posted: Aug 1 2012, 07:30 AM | ||
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Where the hell did I suggest doing anything even close to that? I said make the car interesting, not homosex* it. You want big power? Drop in a big Cummins turbodiesel, crank up the boost till you melt the pistons, then rebuild it, dial the boost back 3psi, and add a small water/methanol injection system. Put an electronic dump on it and enjoy a huge smoke screen whenever you want one. *"Stance" autocorrects to homosex. No offense to LGBT's, huge offense to people who think poke is a good look. [ Post made via Mobile Device ] | ||
sometrueno | Posted: Aug 1 2012, 10:43 AM |
◆フェアレディZ POWER◆ Group: Advanced Members Posts: 976 Member No.: 11,599 Joined: Aug 28th 2005 Location: Update Profile | Streetfighter is a retard then 2jzs are good as fuck engines [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
NeedaHEMI | Posted: Aug 2 2012, 03:05 AM |
IDW Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 90 Member No.: 38,825 Joined: Aug 2nd 2012 Location: Update Profile | I agree that a ls1 is the best choice especially if you live in the states and want cheap power and reliablity. With that said a 2j engine isnt exactly a bad choice either just expect to pay more. |
Nomake Wan | Posted: Aug 2 2012, 03:20 AM | ||
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Depends on how you define 'cheap' and 'power'. Depending on how much 'power' you're talking about, 'cheap reliability' would actually favor something like a Ford 302, wouldn't it? | ||
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NeedaHEMI | Posted: Aug 2 2012, 04:35 AM | ||
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What? The LS1 is superior to the 5.0 in almost everyway, it is very easy to get 400-500 hp out of a LS1 with just a few grands worth of bolt on parts like a blower, ect. The 5.0 would need a lot more work to get that kind of power. Not only that but the LS1 is lighter and has way more aftermarket parts | ||
Nomake Wan | Posted: Aug 2 2012, 06:35 AM | ||
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I think you missed the entire point of my post. Nowhere in your response did I see you compare the costs of a Ford 302 versus your LS1. I specifically focused on the 'cheap' part of 'cheap, reliable power'. Last I checked one could acquire a Mustang 302 for around 600 bucks. How about an LS1? I'm actually asking, by the way. I haven't looked into the costs of an LS1, but seeing as they're a Corvette engine, it makes me think that they would cost significantly more. Please come back with some numbers to satisfy my curiosity. | ||
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Tessou | Posted: Aug 2 2012, 07:17 AM |
More NEGATIVE than a black hole Group: ADMINISTRATOR Posts: 19,345 Member No.: 12,263 Joined: Sep 12th 2005 Location: Update Profile | Low end around $800, high end well over 3 grand. |
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NeedaHEMI | Posted: Aug 2 2012, 07:44 AM | ||
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If not more, what I was trying to say is the OP wants 500hp out of his car and although the LS1 is more pricey to buy its very easy to get those numbers cheaply compared to the 302. | ||
MetalMan777 | Posted: Aug 2 2012, 08:38 AM |
Snooping as usual Group: Advanced Members Posts: 1,780 Member No.: 32,588 Joined: Apr 13th 2009 Location: what are you doing in my swamp? | How about you go to a junkyard and pull a v10 out of a truck. It worked for Dodge... [ Post made via Mobile Device ] |
MattW | Posted: Aug 2 2012, 08:56 AM | ||
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Not just a Corvette motor, was originally put in the Camaro. ...and that's just the LS1. The other motors in the LS series were put in everything from Impala's to pickup trucks. So like the 302 and 350, they're fucking everywhere. This post has been edited by MattW on Aug 2 2012, 08:57 AM | ||
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