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| Posted by: teknoman Dec 3 2002, 09:38 AM |
| Say you guys I to this website which can tell you what is a drift?, which cars can do a drift? & they also have a special school for drifting. Here check this website out & find out yourself http://velocity.isfaster.com/drift/drift.htm I'm sure this can give you more details. And tell me what you guys think? |
| Posted by: karasac Dec 3 2002, 09:52 AM |
| thank you!thank you!thank you!thank you!thank you!thank you!thank you!thank you!thank you!thank you!thank you!thank you!thank you!thank you! i lost the link to this site and ive been looking for it a loooong time. the guys at velocity changed the site and removed this part of site but i guess its still up. now if u all go to the overview section they'll tell u y FF's cant drift, and these guy r based in japan and have been drifting for a loong time so they know what they're talking about. |
| Posted by: tofu boy Dec 3 2002, 08:14 PM |
| thats a great site, makes me want to buy a ticket and fly to japan right now |
| Posted by: bunta_boi Dec 3 2002, 08:47 PM |
| they mention the 86 plenty of times....is it because of initial d? or is initial d based on lotsa ppl choosing 86's? |
| Posted by: karasac Dec 3 2002, 09:02 PM |
| that site was made before Initial D came out, the 86 was probably choosen cuz compared to the cars today its underpowerd and initial d is about the underdog winning against all odds, u cant get anymore underdog than a 20 year old car(well 13 years old when initial d was made). and yes, a lot of people do use the 86 to drift. |
| Posted by: bunta_boi Dec 4 2002, 05:25 PM |
| dang karasac, u always answer most of my questions! lol juss wanted to say thanks you man! cus of you, i can go out and brag to ppl that i kno everything muahaha |
| Posted by: karasac Dec 4 2002, 06:16 PM | ||||
no problemo, thats what im here for.
LOL, no man, only i know everything, jk  it is said, the beginning of wisdom is the statement "i do not know" oops ,im just rambling now 
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| Posted by: Neo Vash Dec 4 2002, 06:21 PM |
| Karasac, you do know alot. But thier are somethings that i think you are just wrong about. For instense that FF can not drift. I have a little thing that says they can and how they can. Iam going to type it up then copy it into a post so that you can see it and read it for yourself. |
| Posted by: karasac Dec 4 2002, 06:37 PM | ||
i look forward to reading it, but before u post it did u read what those guys said on the site thats linked up above? |
| Posted by: cheevoon Dec 4 2002, 06:57 PM |
| yea.. i did... they said physics law won't allow it.. which i dun think so.. (btw, whose physics law is this? I study physics in school too.. it's just a matter of force redistribution, change of force or to be simple, change of energy) I told u b4 that i am having a hard time learning how to drift FF car after selling my souped up AE71. But I realize that FF cars hv no prob in doing the Fish-tailling and U-turn drift.. just a matter of time to get used to the braking function of the car.. and the correct timing when to "throw/Lift off" ur car.. I think it's just a matter of terminology.. Some ppl dun like it to be called "drift", they called it "ass dragging" Maybe they will run an episode of Initial D showing takumi drifting with a FF car.. who know?  |
| Posted by: karasac Dec 4 2002, 10:38 PM | ||
ok u read the first sentence, but did u read the rest of the paragraph? |
| Posted by: ImprezaSTi27 Dec 4 2002, 11:41 PM | ||
That's true, I don't disagree at all that FF cars are good at taking U-turns or non-tightening turns, and by all intents and purposes and the way the car looks, it could be drifting. I think the difference truly shows in corners that aren't consistently the same arc all the way through, or through multiple strings of corners. If a corner's tightening, an FF car doesn't allow you to open the throttle more to push the rear of the car closer to the center and tighten the drift. Opening the throttle if anything would cause an FF car to straighten out in the direction it's pointed (unless you go beyond the absolute grip of the tires, where then the tires will just be skidding with no grip whatsoever, so you'll just go straight off a cliff/into a guardrail). I don't know if I'm making sense, but yeah. I've seen a lot of "fishtailing" FF cars, but never saw one take an open long corner that tightens at the apex. Alex |
| Posted by: ]{aya Dec 5 2002, 06:46 PM | ||
well ...initial D caused a "boost" of popularity in the past few years for the 86 |
| Posted by: ImprezaSTi27 Dec 5 2002, 07:33 PM |
| It caused a boost in popularity because everyone wants to drive around like Takumi. But the drivers in Japan and the few in the United States knew of the 86 well before then because of Keiichi Tsuchiya. It'd be kinda cool to own an 86 since it's a great car, but it's kind of like jumping on the bandwagon at this point. |
| Posted by: teknoman Dec 6 2002, 03:49 PM |
| Hey you guys I found another website check this out http://www.driftsession.com/ this website has everything including a drift session in Hawaii also there's going to another drift session next year 2003 at the Hawaii Raceway Park anybody here who's intrested in a drift go to this website for more information. |
| Posted by: Indecisive Dec 6 2002, 04:07 PM |
| okay..I'm gonna make this a sticky cuz it's got lotsa relevant info. |
| Posted by: teknoman Dec 8 2002, 10:58 AM |
| hey you guys I found a couple of websites for you check out http://www.davescholz.com/ it has Drifting pictures, videos, and information, all original content! & also check this site out http://www.vipersgarage.net/ this one has a drift video, also check the following websites out: http://www.dailyf1.com/en/index.shtml http://www.sileightymania.com/ http://importcar.bizland.com/ http://patriot.net/%7Emerritt/index.shtml http://www.djelektrique.com/ the following websites gives more detalils on drifting I hope this helps. |
| Posted by: killerenergy Dec 22 2002, 04:22 AM |
| Hey speaking of the AE86, anyone know where to get one? Bandwagons, ehh, well I'll say the since everyone thinks it's a bandwagon thing to do newbie drivers like me aren't gonna get one so, me getting one is technicly unbandwagon. No? ok... |
| Posted by: Jayson Dec 22 2002, 10:26 AM |
| the answer is B |
| Posted by: karasac Dec 22 2002, 03:24 PM |
| is that ur final answer? p.s. killenergy, try autotrader.com |
| Posted by: Jayson Dec 22 2002, 04:00 PM |
| false |
| Posted by: Chamber Dec 22 2002, 05:13 PM |
| I wouldnt ever want an 86 corolla =\ because, as cool as it was in initial D, its still an 86 corolla. |
| Posted by: Jayson Dec 22 2002, 06:50 PM |
| You have to look at the 86 for what it can do |
| Posted by: Chamber Dec 22 2002, 07:21 PM |
| and it can...... accelerate slowly? |
| Posted by: Jayson Dec 22 2002, 07:37 PM |
| it can move, it's agile (sp?), and it's light as hell. And I've heard of some crazy swaps peeps are doing |
| Posted by: Chamber Dec 22 2002, 08:04 PM |
| all cars can move, handling depends on a couple things and I would rather have a vw bug 2.3L turbo =\ potentially a 1700lb car, with 350+rwhp with a rear mount motor. and a 17 year old could build one from parts for under 6k [including the car] =\ cant beat that. |
| Posted by: Jayson Dec 22 2002, 08:06 PM |
| sure you can, with a bat |
| Posted by: dstyle takumi Dec 23 2002, 05:36 AM |
| 86- 50/50 weight distribution lsd stock high revving motor <3 perrrfect housing for a 3sgte |
| Posted by: Jayson Dec 23 2002, 09:42 PM |
| Takumi knows whats up |
| Posted by: karasac Dec 24 2002, 02:18 AM | ||
an aluminium bat seriously though, the 86 rocks |
| Posted by: teknoman Dec 24 2002, 10:40 AM |
| There's also another website gives out a lot of detail of drift techniques check it out http://www.geocities.com/go2iddrift |
| Posted by: Jayson Dec 28 2002, 10:51 PM |
| I prefer wooden bats |
| Posted by: karasac Dec 29 2002, 01:31 AM |
| aluminium works better on cars, it might bend, but u can still beat a car with a bent bat |
| Posted by: Jayson Dec 29 2002, 01:43 PM |
| I prefer old school man, Louisville owns j00 for free |
| Posted by: Rayp Jan 25 2003, 01:27 PM |
| My brother own a 84 Corolla rebuild with 87 parts... His car just look like a AE86 (same chassis) and does accelerate quite fast for a car of it's age (i assume some of it's parts aren't stock). Anyway, i don't qualify his car as slow, it still reach 200 km /h easily... |
| Posted by: Jayson Jan 25 2003, 01:47 PM |
| 120 ehh? His car gots some balls under the hood. w00t!! |
| Posted by: Indecisive Jan 25 2003, 02:49 PM | ||
balls indeed, that engine has to have mods on it.....takes me like 20-25sec to hit 180km/h.....sheits |
| Posted by: Jayson Jan 25 2003, 03:08 PM |
lol, too good  |
| Posted by: *Capsulesâ„¢* Mar 5 2003, 08:19 PM |
| dang . . . how much HP does that AE86 have? |
| Posted by: karasac Mar 5 2003, 08:31 PM |
| stock is 130hp |
| Posted by: Jayson Mar 5 2003, 08:39 PM |
| 144 actualy |
| Posted by: *Capsulesâ„¢* Mar 5 2003, 09:50 PM |
| I know that. I was asking how much Rayp's Brother has on his AE86. Oh well, that was long ago . . . I dont think he is gonna come back. 
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| Posted by: Jayson Mar 9 2003, 05:21 PM |
| not enough I bet |
| Posted by: Sugoi Kuruma Mar 10 2003, 05:16 AM | ||
i thought that the AE86 made 130ps, which equates to around 128hp im not 100% certain, but im fairly sure this is true |
| Posted by: Jayson Mar 10 2003, 10:55 AM |
| 144 is the magic number |
| Posted by: Zenki_Hachiroku Mar 13 2003, 09:44 PM |
| More like 128hp. If you think hachiroku is fast, think again. It is SLOW without mods. They are great drift cars because of their weight distribution and lsd, and they are cheap. Now that everybody wants one, the cheap factor is gone. It's cheaper to get a 180sx (S13 240sx) than it is to get a GTS, unless you are lucky enough to find a schmuck that doesn't know what he/she's got. It is a fun car to drive tho. Maintenance is hell, however. |
| Posted by: *Capsulesâ„¢* Mar 13 2003, 09:51 PM |
| I wanted a AE86 Before . . . getting a little popular now . . . soon it will be around like it was 1985. I hope it doesn't come around like Civic's and Integra's. I wanted a AE86 Before . . . It's All About The FC3S & FD3S now! |
| Posted by: karasac Mar 13 2003, 10:03 PM | ||
woot woot! |
| Posted by: Zenki_Hachiroku Mar 13 2003, 10:12 PM | ||
It would be so awful if riced out hachirokus start to appear. Can you imagine hachi with fart car exhaust, full neon light kit and aluminum wings that are bigger than the car itself?  |
| Posted by: Indecisive Mar 13 2003, 10:17 PM | ||||
unfortunately I can imagine it very well. but hopefully ricers here will stick to their hondas and acuras. |
| Posted by: Jayson Mar 13 2003, 11:20 PM |
| FD>any other car |
| Posted by: Zenki_Hachiroku Mar 14 2003, 09:49 AM |
My Zenki can eat your FD  Only in Initial D does that happen tho |
| Posted by: Jayson Mar 14 2003, 11:05 AM |
| FD>Zenki |
| Posted by: Zenki_Hachiroku Mar 14 2003, 11:09 AM |
| In initial d, Zenki > every car out there. IRL, I stopped racing anybody a long time ago since my Zenki can't even beat a riced out Civic Si, and I have a silvertop. But if it comes to twisties, I wouldn't mind taking on Porsche and the like. Power means little then. |
| Posted by: Zenki_Hachiroku Mar 14 2003, 11:10 AM |
Actually, now I think about it, maybe in initial D it's a Kouki that Takumi drives....  |
| Posted by: Jayson Mar 14 2003, 11:12 AM |
| Sadly, I stil thing a Porsche would beat you in a twisty |
| Posted by: alikax Mar 14 2003, 01:53 PM |
| I agree, my old 911 @ home turned like it was on rails, having 10" wide rears helps alot too though. Dont forget that porsches are nothing to laugh at... ever. |
| Posted by: Zenki_Hachiroku Mar 14 2003, 05:29 PM |
I was speaking figuratively. I didn't say I would beat a porsche in the twisties, but gts are really nice in the twisties (although not confidence inspiring kinda nice). and gts costs, what, 1/20 of a porsche?  dont get bent outta shape. no porsche owner in their right mind would want to race a corolla. |
| Posted by: *Capsulesâ„¢* Mar 15 2003, 09:09 AM | ||
They wouldn't want to race a AE86 cause they can't underestimate the powers the Driver and the car has. |
| Posted by: Jayson Mar 15 2003, 09:03 PM |
| I would! |
| Posted by: RyousukeT. Mar 19 2003, 12:53 AM | ||
bah corolla get a Trueno and yes they are different |
| Posted by: Sugoi Kuruma Mar 19 2003, 08:25 AM | ||
no, they are not different, because a trueno is a corolla, just as a levin is a corolla. some people... |
| Posted by: Jayson Mar 19 2003, 05:15 PM |
| w3rd |
| Posted by: ryosuke Apr 25 2003, 03:06 PM |
| The difference between a USDM Corolla GTS and JDM Sprinter Trueno is the way the back looks. Other than that, the chassis is still the same. Notice I said GTS. Not a GT. The GT's are the SOHC ones. And realistically, I'd settle for a Hachi-go and swap in a 4AGZE engine into it. Why settle for a regular 4AGE engine? |
| Posted by: shuLi Apr 27 2003, 01:32 AM | ||||||
man..... u guyz hafto only IMAGINE it.... ive actually seen it happen!! *shiver** sooo damn OOgliNESSED!!   .....i saw it at the mechanics in the neighbourhoodMetallic Orange Levin: 1. Huge Front Spoiler 2. Huge Rear Spoiler 3. Disgustingly Lowered to about 3 inches above ground 4. Huge Twin Mufflers 5. Neon Light Blue Lights all i hafto do is try to get a photo of it somehow..... |
| Posted by: Rayp May 1 2003, 05:17 AM |
| Seem i missed a few posts i should have answered . Well, better late than never... Edit : It's about my brother's Toyota Corolla gts 84 (rebuild with 87's parts). My brother's car has a 91's Corolla GTS engine inside. I believe it's 130 hp, but it might be more if the stock one is 130 hp. I recently drove his car around for a few hours following my brother in his new car, and his car isn't bad at all. I guess the gearbox isn't stock, it seem to be close ratio (it's reving at 3500 at 100 km/h in 5th gear). Too bad his brakes are almost non-working, i could not drive it very fast and expect to be able to stop, i had to down shift a lot to slow the puppy down before the brakes could do their job (his hand brake isn't working either). For sure i could tell his car is lighter than my Honda Accord, but no where as stable at high speed... I recently made a deal with my brother to buy his car, so in about a month i will have a second car. I will soon see how much that car can do once the brakes are fixed and the bumper put back in place (my brother did crash it). But my first impression is my old "Accord 87 s" accelerate much faster, but my car is a 2.0L SOHC and his is a 1.6L DOHC and my gearbox is tuned for high speed and his for acceleration (something is wrong here). Also my car is carb powered, he has fuel injection. Anyway, i might see it differently when i will drive it at the same speed i drive my Accord (At 3200, i'm flying at 140 km/h in 5th gear, but i never tryied to go above 185 km/h with it yet)... |
| Posted by: Sugoi Kuruma May 1 2003, 10:06 AM |
| u forgot to say what type of car u were buying off ur bro what make/model? which country r u in |
| Posted by: Rayp May 1 2003, 01:40 PM |
| Oh well, i was too much in an hurry to type that i forgot thoses a few details . If you had scrolled back a few posts, i was saying what car it was... Anyway, i updated the post... I live in Canada btw, in the Quebec province (the land of freezing cold, rust and giant potholes ). |
| Posted by: ryosuke May 1 2003, 02:01 PM |
| Damn, he must've paid a pretty penny to put that 91 engine in, considering that the 91's had FWD setup. |
| Posted by: Rayp May 1 2003, 04:34 PM |
| Don't know, it was the previous owner, a crazed mechanic. |
| Posted by: ryosuke May 2 2003, 12:46 PM |
| Well you should tell that mechanic he's an idiot for putting that engine in, instead of a 4AGZE. |
| Posted by: Sugoi Kuruma May 3 2003, 05:53 AM |
| 4agze's arent that special i know id much rather a 20v NA, but thats just coz i prefer NA. the 4agzes do have more torque, but the power is about the same, stock. |
| Posted by: TRD 4A-GE May 3 2003, 06:53 PM | ||
yup.. i prefer the NA VVT-i as well... anyway, supercharged 4A-GE is still the popular choice among the ricers... DAMN RESPONSIVE! |
| Posted by: S15-guy May 3 2003, 11:54 PM |
| FORCED INDUCTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i believe i have made my point. |
| Posted by: Sugoi Kuruma May 4 2003, 06:15 AM |
| i rekon having forced induction on a hachi roku is just wrong thats just my opinion, but yeh, if i was gonna have a turbo or supercharged car i would get something different than a hachi to me, if its a hachi, its gotta be NA, or it loses all its purity |
| Posted by: S15-guy May 4 2003, 08:54 AM | ||
valid point okay, forced induction for EVERY OTHER CAR IN THE WORLD |
| Posted by: Indecisive May 4 2003, 10:08 AM |
| I'm not really feelin FI either. I think Displacement is the only way to go. |
| Posted by: ryosuke May 7 2003, 10:23 AM | ||
Popular choice among the who?!! Oh well... I mean its not like I've been drifting since 96 before ID was known. I mean yeah the regular DOHC 4AGEU puts out 130hp, and the 4AGZEU puts out 145hp. But the NA 91 4AGEU puts out 140hp in a FWD format. For these so called "ricers", who drift.... which engine do you think they'll pick based on the responsiveness and capability to produce more HP and torque just by simply upping the boost by say one or two psi? FI may seem wrong... but wait, the RX-7's had them... the R32-R34's had them, the SR20DET's had them... so I guess it must be wrong. I think what you're trying to say is that if the vehicle came originally equiped with a NA engine, then FI is wrong. If so... for the USDM people who got shafted with the KA engines vice the SR20DET's... is it wrong to do a swap for your S13 or S14? Purity? Man... you work with what you have. Seeing as how the hachi is pretty much a rally oriented car, think of how it would've been if it did come with the 4AGZEU. |
| Posted by: S15-guy May 7 2003, 12:37 PM | ||
I love you man everything you say is true! |
| Posted by: driftFC35 Jun 11 2003, 11:30 AM |
| Hi everybody *Hi Dr. Nick* Thats the first site I found when I first heard about drifting...found it incidentaly too (was checking out Soul Assasin's FC). If that car is still there, I urge all of you rotary guys to check it out. It could be on of the best tuned FCs by a person not really afiliated with people like Amemiya. Bridge Ported 13b RE, HKS tranny, RE Amemiya FC2000 body kit  ...the list goes on and on. It was a sad sad day when that car was parted out  rXyan "*whistling taps*" |
| Posted by: netbizkit Jul 21 2003, 09:12 PM |
| the other day i got this vid on kazaa of a 3rd gen camaro(!) drifting. it was friken awsome !!!! im workin on my dads rite now so maybe ill make it a drift car. its probably hella hard.
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| Posted by: Upgrade Jan 10 2004, 11:33 AM |
| If you are interested to learning the basics of drifting. Here you go. The video teaches the basic of Drifting techniques with great footage from past events in California. http://www.upgrademotoring.com/videos/DA_TRAILER_small_Comp11_NEW.wmv Thanks, Upgrade Motoring |
| Posted by: Neo Xian Wu Jan 10 2004, 07:51 PM | ||
this coming from a guy that wants to get a turbo motor in his S12... for shame. displacement = fuel consumption. hehe and netbizkit, if they have a good tuneable suspension, then it shouldn't be hard to make a drift car. it's all about suspension and weight. they are the keys to making a sucessful drift car (well, besides the obvious skill). |
| Posted by: Indecisive Jan 10 2004, 10:16 PM | ||||
sorry..I phrased that wrong. I'm all for FI IF and only if the motor came from factory with it. I don't want to bolt on a turbo to my N/A...I want to get a stock turboed motor in there. ehhe |
| Posted by: Neo Xian Wu Jan 10 2004, 10:40 PM |
| i personally don't care if it was stock turbo or not. not all stock turbo cars had the kind of technology we have now. either they're too safe or not safe enough. like with the turbo RX-7. stock boost was limited by the ECU at around 8-9psi. understandable i guess, but still. some N/A cars benefit from forced induction (there's a few nasty twin turbo V8s i've seen). and usually building up a car for turbo results in something sturdier than the car that was turbo'd from the factory. |
| Posted by: Joeyfeets Jan 19 2004, 11:12 PM |
| Cars that came turbo from the factory are definately "too safe", but its a lot easier to modify them for more power. Im no expert, my friend had an NA z31 before & it was slow as mud. He turboed it (7psi) & ran mine (stock turbo) & summarily blew his engine up. The NA motor couldnt take much boost. my factory turbo motor is good for at least 10-15psi w/out IC. just a few cheap bolt-ons, intake/exhaust (turbo-back), BOV, MBC & im good to go. if u need more, get ECU, injectors, bigger turbo, IC to squeeze out the power. all can be done on a stock turbo motor, but not an NA. NA should build internals i think. my boy got some crx w/ a B18C (i think! im not a honda guy) with no NOS/forced induction but he beats me cuz its stroked w/ some crazy cams/pistons/crank/valves & he has every bolt-on imaginable. totally reliable, no AC though............ |
| Posted by: Neo Xian Wu Jan 19 2004, 11:23 PM |
| not suprising he blew his motor. trying to turbo a stock NA motor without proper fuel and tuning = detonation. detonation is BAD. usually the fuel system on NA isn't up to supporting boost. that B18C is prolly running pretty high compression, which means no lag and lots of power. my friend's Civic has a fully built H22 (2.2L VTEC motor) at about 12.1:1 compression and he's beaten every turbo car he's raced so far. it's more or less power when you want it. no lag. but i'll still take the kick in the ass from boost any day. |
| Posted by: Joeyfeets Jan 19 2004, 11:42 PM |
| tru, tru.... he just slapped some junkyard turbo on there. I think the NA injectors, ecu, fuel pump (not to mention brakes/suspension too!) were all grabage. it woulda been cheaper to go spend the $500 - $1K & buy an old turbo z31. i like my turbo, the BOV really helped fight lag. but Im still a little afraid of boost while cornering. it causes me to spin out sometimes if it spikes. i really need 2 get a handle on it......... any suggestions? |
| Posted by: AJS13 Jan 19 2004, 11:57 PM |
| BOV stop lag??? They are there to stop build up of backpressure against the Turbo's compresser wheel when the throttle butterfly has closed. If anything it would create lag a bit because you throw away the forced air. Not get rid of lag. Its like a wastegate but for the Intake side not Exhaust. Sorry about sounding a bit mean there. |
| Posted by: SuperMazdaKart Jan 20 2004, 12:13 AM |
| they also make that wicked "whipishhhh" sound when gear changed too don't they |
| Posted by: AJS13 Jan 20 2004, 12:44 AM | ||
It them taking the foot off the Accelerater. But yea you can always hear them change gear when they have a BOV equppid. A few days ago I saw these 2 girls aged about 10 or 12 walking passed my place and they was goin whipishhhh, then a reving noise (they started to run foward), then a horn. I was like >.> <.< what the hell. It was strange I tell you, strange. |
| Posted by: Joeyfeets Jan 20 2004, 05:49 AM | ||
i think i worded it wrong.... im not a mechanic genius, but youre exactly correct that the BOV lets off the compressed air once the throttle is closed in boost. this prevents the air from going back against my compressor wheel. so when I shift, the cmopressor stays spinning instead of having the throttle plate stopping the air and thus slowing the wheel. since the wheel is still spinning freely cuz theres no pressure against it, & it gets back into boost quicker. i dont know what kinda car u got, but on mine its a very noticeable difference. as far as lag when im already in boost, it doesnt help at all with that. but the amount of time it takes to reach an even "0 psi" instead of being on the "vaccuum" side of the gauge (or whatever its called) is shorter. maybe this is called boost response or something? whatever u might call that, its gotta better response cuz of that. oh yeah, my bov routes back into my intake. i dont vent-to-atmosphere. i admit, venting out freely, sounds koo, makes that "psst!!!" sound. but my MAF has already metered that air & sometimes acts funny if i let all that out at high boost. so i went for the performance instead......... |
| Posted by: Neo Xian Wu Jan 20 2004, 08:06 AM |
| what you have is a bypass valve, since it's routed back into the intake. you're not really spiking when you're going around the turn, unless you're going over a set level of boost. like for instance, if you know your boost is set at 7psi and you notice on your boost gauge (aftermarket of course, and i damn sure hope you have one), that it goes higher than 7psi, THEN you're spiking. your wastegate is supposed to be releasing the excess boost when you reach a certain psi. also, blow-offs/bypass valves do help to fight turbo lag, as joey already explained. it prevents compressor surge, which in turn creates lag. anyway, we're getting off topic, so lets continue the drift topic here and put the turbo stuff in the rest of the forum. thx |
| Posted by: AJS13 Jan 20 2004, 01:23 PM |
| Just one more thing on the turbo. Ive always seen BOV being a saftey valve to prevent compresser surge, after I saw this idiot drive his car around with out one on high boost, screwing his turbo to the point it was just a piece of scrap metal bolted to this motor. But I keep thinking it gets rid of the air already been forced to the motor in to the atmospher. Which is a waste of engery for the motor. I think there evil for that, but I also dont want to screw up turbos, so the car gets one. Anywayz back to the drift tech |
| Posted by: Joeyfeets Jan 20 2004, 10:33 PM | ||
OK, OK my bad. i get hyped up about turbo's. But back on topic, when drifting the NA seem to be more advantageous cuz they dont have to worry about boost. Just throttle response all the way through. For boosted rides, do yall come into corners already in boost (if so high/low)? or stay outta boost initially & then punch it? I ask, cuz i tried several different experiments after watching too much of that "drift bible" & I always get outta control once im in boost trying to drift a turn. But if I lay off, I have more control but less speed. |
| Posted by: Neo Xian Wu Jan 21 2004, 09:08 AM |
| well generally you want to boost enough to lose traction at the rear, but most times you press the accelerator near the apex of the turn. too much, and you'll lose it. too little, and you'll prolly stop sliding. another thing, since you prolly have alot more torque than most and a generally heavier vehicle, i'd try an easier approach. going in full boost, you'll most likely spin out, but not enough boost and you'll experience lag and a shitty drift. like they say, practice makes perfect. eventually you'll find the best line to take and at how much speed. different cars handle and react differently, so there's not really a specific way to do it. just keep trying. |
| Posted by: Joeyfeets Jan 21 2004, 10:33 PM |
| youre right, its kinda exactly as u described. when i go in at max revs & boosting, I lose control. Or if I gas it late & It spools up quick, then I lose control too. My car is heaver than the average nissan (woofers/spare tire/etc. dont help either) & the 240 guys round here make fun of me for tryin to drift a "boat". but ill find the balance one day. gonna get some tokico shocks/springs in feb. tryin to decide on gettin the cheap blues, or the adjustable illuminas (more $$$).... |
| Posted by: Jason_H. Feb 5 2004, 12:01 PM |
| Well at this time I'm really bad at Manual, so with Automatic I have to use a limited number of techniques. I usually let off the gas and turn, or turn with edging(putting the wheel to the side and pushing it forward a little bit and pulling it back very fast, over and over). Otherwise I'll gear down to four, brake to 85-95 and take hairpins Out-in-out. |
| Posted by: Indecisive Feb 5 2004, 01:39 PM |
| ahha that's way too much stress that you put on your car man. go practice your manual and do it right. |
| Posted by: Sobær Feb 9 2004, 12:02 PM |
| Ok, I didn't want to make a new post, so I'm posting it in here, hoping it's the right thread. XD ((Seen enough closed threads to scare me.. )) Anyways.. Last night, I was ice drifting in my girlfriends Cavi. Yeah, it's a FF car, but God damnit, I had fun. We were leaving wal-Mart, and I was like, "Hmm, ice." I hit the ice and the wheels immediatly lost traction, so I figured why not? Around the whole bend, I was sliding and just before the curb I counter-steered just in time to miss it and start going the other direction.. luckily there was no car in front of me, because the brakes didn't grab at all.. It was so fun, though!! And she sat there, calm through the whole thing!! God, was I shocked. It reminded me of the days when I used to drive my 240SX around.. ::Mass droolage.:: |
| Posted by: [ Mizerok ] Feb 10 2004, 04:12 AM |
| Yeah? Well go steal some trays from McDonalds, slap them under your rear wheels, lock the e-brake and have fun!!! Better in the rain but just as fun in the dry!!! |
| Posted by: Sobær Feb 10 2004, 12:26 PM |
| ::Dies laughing.:: That has got to be the funniest thing Ive heard all day.. |
| Posted by: [ Mizerok ] Feb 11 2004, 08:19 AM |
| Hey, it works... and it's hella cheap on tires. There are actually fast food places around here watching for people to walk out with trays now!!! hahaha |
| Posted by: t0k3r Oct 12 2004, 08:25 AM |
| you can also do it with cardboard, works well ,also but ive never tried it with food trys haha gotta try it sometime. |
| Posted by: dc2_l2icer Dec 1 2004, 01:07 PM |
| Kansei Drift 1. Enter a turn at high speed. The Kansei Drift should be performed at race speeds. (if you do not drift, your vehicle should experience severe understeer at this speed). 2. Turn your wheels sharply into the turn, and let off the throttle quickly. The cornering force of the vehicle combined with the loss of throttle will cause your vehicle to oversteer. 3. When your vehicle begins to lose traction, get on the throttle again quickly. This will overpower the wheels for the traction that is available, sending your vehicle into a drift. 4. When you feel the vehicle’s rear end kicking out, immediately countersteer the wheels to face straight with the road. Your vehicle will pull in the direction of the front wheels, as long as the wheels are still moving. Keep on the throttle. If you press the brakes or let off the throttle because your vehicle is in an extremely oversteered condition, you will spin out or leave the road. 5. When you wish to straighten out your car, after completing the drift, let off the throttle smoothly and straighten out the wheels as your vehicle kicks in line behind the front tires. thats how ya do a kansei drift ppl. have fun =D |
| Posted by: idrive85 Jan 8 2005, 12:48 AM |
| here u go some techniques http://www.driftsession.com/technique.htm |
| Posted by: FreakyLilAzn Feb 14 2005, 06:20 PM |
| yup, www.driftsession.com is pretty goot |
| Posted by: Oro?! Feb 24 2005, 03:35 PM |
| when you ebrake do you do it when you let off the throttle or while havin the throttle on? |
| Posted by: dmhc69 Feb 25 2005, 10:55 PM | ||
i saw a video on this not too long ago... best idea ive seen with a car in a long time  |
| Posted by: djdorifto Feb 28 2005, 01:06 PM | ||
Throttle Off |
| Posted by: lotteman Aug 10 2005, 09:58 PM |
| hmm i saw this somewhere i for got butt whats a choku dori? is that just kinda like a feint or when you slide one way then you get the car to slide the other way? |
| Posted by: Rose Gold Sep 18 2005, 12:38 AM |
| I would never go to a drift school.. learn that shit on my own |
| Posted by: Cubits Sep 18 2005, 05:23 AM |
| For a nice entry drift i like to come off the brakes sharply after turning in. This works much more effectively than a throttle-lift, and sets the car up easily. I hate the japanese handbrake-heavy style of drifting. It isn't very elegant or very useful. The braking drift technique is an exaggerated application of a racing technique called trail braking, and is very smooth. BTW, this can be accomplished in just about any car, even a stock volvo 240. Handbrake = devil |
| Posted by: keenfei Sep 18 2005, 08:34 PM |
| I am driving a Corolla '96 AT (non-modded) and have been trying to drift the car. Is it possible for Auto Trans cars to drift similar like MT cars? One rainy night, i sort of drift the car for a moment.. and did not countersteer the front wheels to face the road.... the car was understeered and oversteered as i tried to balance the car at the very last minute.. pressing the throttle worsen it as well. Was it because my timing of countersteer is not rite? Does a lower gear helps to countersteer the wheels? What is the proper way to drift a car like mine? Appreciate reply. Newbie. |
| Posted by: Cubits Sep 18 2005, 09:16 PM |
| AT cars have a harder time because the gearbox usually changes ratios as you spin the rear wheels, which can make it very unpredictable. Also, i didn't know a 96 corolla was rwd... They must be totally different to any toyota we got here at that time. |
| Posted by: sideways Sep 18 2005, 09:19 PM |
| Slamming the gas on a ff will just make u understeer more as your trying to slide her around. As for the auto/manual, in an FF i dont think itll matter much since youre limited mostly to pulling the handbrake, but either way it wouldnt matter, its possible to drift an auto, just not AS well usually because of how they work. As to how to drift it, just keep practicing. Work with the timing of the hand brake and the steering. |
| Posted by: Cubits Sep 18 2005, 11:12 PM |
| As for sliding an FF (which we have now established it is), you're auto-box will be next to useless. Most of the FF's control in a slide comes from the throttle. When you lift off the throttle in an AT car, the torque-converter allows the engine to "coast", giving you no engine braking! So with lift oversteer, or any form of tightening the line by lifting the throttle will be totally abolished in an auto, unless you force it into a gear. Not to mention that a 96 corolla has extremely "safe" handling. Even the manual couldn't muster any balance. I guess you're doomed to handbrake slides. |
| Posted by: keenfei Sep 19 2005, 01:14 AM |
| Thanks guys. I normally force gear upon fast corner and do succeed in petty skid or sometimes drift (maybe not afterall). Handbrakes are not used. Hey, I am not doomed to handbrakes slides. Maybe it is time to change the car.. haha. Anyway, appreciate it guys - cubit / sidewaysgts. |
| Posted by: Buddyworm Oct 3 2005, 07:53 PM | ||
I'm just curious, at what kind of locations do you practice this? B-Wurm |
| Posted by: Cubits Oct 3 2005, 10:37 PM |
I do hillclimbs on 3m wide tarmac. You need to have the car sideways in certain conditions (like over a crest with a turn at the top).  Also mucking around at the local track, when the circuit is clear of other cars etc. I've also been known to do it on desolate public roads, but umm.. shhhh!  At big track speeds (100mph+), you can just lift off the throttle to start a slide. Easy peasy. |
| Posted by: 564x2 Dec 18 2005, 10:18 PM |
| that linkie no worky theres a school in arizona run by this old dude bob (i cant spell his last name) bodurant? he comes up here where i work every year for an exhibition type thing... |
| Posted by: Larmo Jun 26 2006, 08:54 AM |
| i need some help, can someone tell me on how to do 5 in 4 out??????? |
| Posted by: Zeroone_10 Mar 5 2007, 03:30 AM | ||
Actually....i hadn't tried this before. But.... I used nissan terano to drift... An the result was... Nissan terrano couldn't drift cause this type is jeep |
| Posted by: DAT!!CAPPUCCINO Apr 10 2007, 06:46 AM |
SHIFT LOCK FTW!!!!  Cool links. I would also recommend picking up a copy of the Drift Bible. |
| Posted by: pwincezs Apr 14 2007, 05:25 PM |
| Drifting is just too hard to learn. I like to watch it but. But then I havent seen anyone drift on the roads, just on tv =/ |
| Posted by: Alex Apr 14 2007, 06:51 PM | ||
That's a good thing. No one should be drifting on roads in the first place. |
| Posted by: pwincezs Apr 14 2007, 08:49 PM | ||
True true. There's enough speeders and drink drivers, we don't need another group on the road |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 14 2007, 10:21 PM |
| are you sure? You live in Australia yeah? You haven't seen those Commodores trying to drift/power slide and hitting trees on the news? o_O? Amazed I am... |
| Posted by: projectdfan Apr 15 2007, 04:53 PM | ||
yup! where i live, we do that on the drag strip. then theres a left hand corner at the end. |
| Posted by: pwincezs Apr 15 2007, 07:52 PM | ||
LOL. nups havent heard about it. |
| Posted by: EA99 Apr 16 2007, 01:33 AM |
| do you... even watch the news? haha Because every hmmmm 2nd night, some ass in a commodore crashes and dies due to speeding or reckless driving |
| Posted by: pwincezs Apr 16 2007, 05:27 AM | ||
umm... yeah ofcourse ^^;; I probably just missed those parts xD. Oh yeah guys you know in Tokyo Drift, if you can remember; the part where Han was showing the main guy(4got his name) what he uses drifting for and he went pretty fast in a circle around the chiq's car; as a method to pick them up. How do they do that; it a very impressive stunt by the professionals. |
| Posted by: Mitsubooshi Apr 16 2007, 11:02 AM | ||
That movie did have some very nice drifting scenes in it, although the chase scene was really stupid. Was it really necessary to drift in and out of the cars on the road as if they were pylons?  Anyway, the drifting in a circle is easier than doing it around a corner I think. All you have to do is maintain the steering wheel and throttle at the right position after initiating a slide. |
| Posted by: jamsbong Sep 26 2007, 06:08 AM |
| One should only drive normally on roads. you want to have fun, goto a track and go crazy. anyway. I notice there are a lot of procedures to drifting but the basic principle is not really explained here. First of all, weight shifts. If you don't put the car's weight to the front. it is not going to turn nor drift/slide. This is true even for a FR car. If you are wondering why you're understeering on some of the things that you've been trying to do. This is why. Second is breaking of traction on the rear. Once you've move the weights to the front, you can do various things to break the traction on the rear. eg. E-brake, down-shift, clutch kick, having rear tires with very little traction etcs. For me, I think sliding around is torturing the tires, so I don't really do it often nor do I do it well. Hope this helps |
| Posted by: Lari Nov 6 2007, 04:30 AM |
| Here in Finland I often see people drifting in the streets. At least in a roundabouts and parking lots. But it is a bad thing. Don't do it. |
| Posted by: rentanycar Nov 21 2023, 09:55 AM | ||
I want to know the legal age of drifting I know the legal age of driving in Dubai. |
| Posted by: binga67 Feb 3 2024, 05:16 AM |
| what an epic site it is... just out of nowhere it develop the urge to let's fly to japan.. hahahha |