Wonder if thats VG30E or VG30DE, thats freakin light
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| Posted by: s12drifter Mar 3 2013, 02:16 PM |
| So, online i see a lot of different engine weights. but i have not seen a chart with different engines from all over. so if you consider doing a swap kinda like a mass general engine weight chart. add and I will update the chart. if you know a engine weight post it and I'll add it, anything from ford, chevy, renualt, fiat etc. transmission weight's can be added too. these are estimates or close weight it may be off 30-60 pounds not too bad. we assume most at FULL blocks but if it is not please make a note so it can be noted and added, we assume most are manual please state whether trans included is a auto. if any of these engine weight's are wrong PLEASE PLEASE feel free to point it out and correct the list so we can have as close to a possible accurate list. for those who are confused about weight into kg's use this. for our use long block = engine with intake, exhaust, turbo (if any), head, cams, bottom block crank, rods, pistons, etc, no A/C no P/S, oil pan short block = block, crank rods and pistons, oil pan THATS IT! full block, Intake, exhaust, cams, block, rods, pistons, turbo (if any), oil pan P/S, A/C, alternator, sensors, flywheel, dampener, coolant lines etc etc a drop in plug in motor pretty much. there is some debate with the american V8 guys about long block = longer/ heaver, and short block = smaller engine. lets ignore that and go by this for now. Nissan: VG30ET: 420 lbs VG30E - 390 lbs VG30E with 71C 5 spd - 495 lbs VG30E W/ T-5 - 500 lbs VG30E W/ 30A - 510 lbs VG30ET w/ 71C - 525 lbs VG30ET W/ T-5 - 535 lbs VG30ET W/ 30A - 545 lbs ------------------------------------ VG30DETT W/O 30A - 489 lbs VG30DETT W/ 30A - 725 lbs VG30DE W/O 30A - 550 lbs VG30DE W/ 30A - 640 lbs VG30DET W/ 30A - 589 lbs ------------------------------------------ RB20DET w/ 71C 5spd - 550-580 lbs RB20DET W/O trans - 450 lbs RB20DE W/O trans - 400 lbs RB20DE NEO W/O 71c -405lbs RB25DET W/ 30A - 667 lbs RB25DET W/O trans - 450 lbs RB25DE W/O trans - 400lbs RB25DET NEO W/30A - 550-600 lbs RB26DETT W/O trans - 500ish lbs RB26DETT W/ AWD 6 spd trans - 727 lbs ---------------------------------------- CA18DET W/71C - 389 lbs CA18DET W/O 71C - 282 lbs CA18DE W/71C - 350 lbs CA18ET W/O 71B - 260 lbs CA18ET W/71B - 330 lbs CA20E W/O 71B - 220 lbs --------------------------------------- SR20DET W/ 71C - 450 lbs SR20DET W/O 71C - 366 LBS SR20DE W/O 71C - 320 lbs ----------------------------------------- KA24DE W/ 71c 5spd - 540 lbs KA24DET W/ 71C - 580 lbs ---------------------------------------- FJ20ET W/O trans - 366 lbs ------------------------------------------ QR25DE W/O trans - 267 lbs ------------------------------------------ L18S W/O trans - 260 lbs L24S W/O trans - 389 lbs L28S W/ trans - 540 lbs ----------------------------------------- VQ35DE W/O trans - 330 lbs VQ35DE W/ trans - 580 lbs VQ30DE W/O trans - 330 lbs ------------------------------------------- VH45DE W/O trans - 500.6 (no Flywheel, Starter, P/S pump AND bracketry, Alt AND bracketry, A/C pump and bracketry, VVT solenoids/actuators.) notes: I know the SR has a 6 speed transmission but i cannot find weight of 6 speed transmission. Toyota 1UZ-FE with R154: 486lbs 1UZ-FE with W58: 466lbs ----------------------------------------- 2JZ-GTE W/O trans - 594 lbs 2JZ-GTE W/6spd - 746lbs ------------------------------------------- 7M-GTE [no turbo no starter] - 456lb 7M-GTE W/ R154 - 640 lbs Chevy LS1 W/O trans - 500 lbs LS2 W/O trans - 480 lbs LS2 W/ trans - 509 lbs LS3 W/O trans - 470 lbs LS4 W/O trans - 478 lbs (does not include power steering pump, wiring harness, or computer) LS6 W/O trans - 460 lbs LS7 W/O trans - 440 lbs ------------------------------------------------- LT1 W/O trans - 525 lbs (no exhaust manifolds, alternator, PS or AC.) BMW S52us W/ trans - 512 lbs S52us W/O trans - 406 lbs Mazda S4 13BT W/O trans - 376 lbs S4 13B W/O trans - 337 lbs Transmissions Nissan: FS5W71C: 5 speed found in the KA/CA/SR/RB/Na vg30E. T-5 (FS5R90A): found in the 81-86 S130 turbo/Z31 turbo cars, 5 speed FS5R30A found on RB25's/ VG30ET's [87-78] 5 speed 4N71B 4 speed auto Z31's E4N71B (Heavy duty) 4 speed auto F4W71A: found on a few datsuns F4W71B: found on more datsuns FS5W71B: nissan/datsun crossover period (only in america) RS5R30A: found on a few trucks and Z32's |
| Posted by: Tygur Mar 3 2013, 05:29 PM |
| Some of these are pretty surprising if true. Had no idea a 2JZ was that heavy. |
| Posted by: s12drifter Mar 3 2013, 09:20 PM |
| LOL wrong tab!!! but yes 2jz's are heavy! thats why im not swapping over to one :x |
| Posted by: MetalMan777 Mar 3 2013, 10:00 PM |
| I don't know numbers, but the transmissions in a DSM weigh about as much as the combined moons of Jupiter. |
| Posted by: Grappler Mar 3 2013, 10:27 PM |
| I feel as though this would help supplement your list immensely http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4299&start=45 About a dozen posts down |
| Posted by: Tygur Mar 4 2013, 01:08 AM |
| "Nissan Maxim V6 3.0 264" Wonder if thats VG30E or VG30DE, thats freakin light |
| Posted by: Spaz Mar 4 2013, 05:35 AM | ||||
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| Posted by: s12drifter Mar 4 2013, 07:38 AM | ||
that is liiiiieeeee VG30's weigh a ton more then that. the crank and block alone is like 250 pounds. I need to go through that and comb out actual weights. |
| Posted by: MetalMan777 Mar 4 2013, 08:38 PM |
| Damn that's a strong man. Let's see him do the same to the other boxes with gears in them. I count three such devices on an evo, which is as many as four tens, and that's terrible. I mean, there's a lot of weight between those, and it's not really weight you can afford to shed. |
| Posted by: shadow55419 Mar 4 2013, 09:47 PM |
| i have a question...... is this loaded, pistions cams and all the bells and whistles on, or empty block? |
| Posted by: s12drifter Mar 4 2013, 09:50 PM | ||||
just as thought you bought it from a jdm importer. Intake exhaust, head cams, of course. why would they sell you a block with no rods crank or pistons then call it a long block? |
| Posted by: shadow55419 Mar 4 2013, 10:12 PM | ||
they don't, by your definition its called a crate motor here  you buy it and shove it under the hood. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Mar 4 2013, 10:20 PM | ||
Crate motors are exactly what you're talking about--buy it and put it under the hood. Long blocks are the basic engine without the accessories (usually things like water pump, alternator, power steering, A/C, maybe oil pump, etc). Short blocks are what you were talking about before where it's the engine missing entire critical components. |
| Posted by: Spaz Mar 5 2013, 11:17 AM | ||
Yes and no... A shortblock still has the rotating assembly, it just lacks a head. |
| Posted by: Tygur Mar 5 2013, 12:20 PM | ||
Having sold them, the terminology used, at least at the company I worked for, was: Long Block - Complete engine, sometimes without valve covers, usually without all accessories Short Block - Exactly as you stated, pretty much all of the bottom end Crate Motor - An engine that has been somehow modified, includes everything that the long block does. In some rare cases, it is used for brand new factory engines. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Mar 5 2013, 01:57 PM | ||
Guess the crate motors I was looking at were that 'rare case'... http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=11829 |
| Posted by: Tygur Mar 5 2013, 02:30 PM |
| If thats a stock engine, then yeah pretty much, according to where I worked. Crate engines were always brand new but generally had been tweaked by the factory. Most of the "rare case" engines were Ford or Chevy lol. Long block was used mostly for rebuilt engines as opposed to new, which is what pretty much everyone purchased. If anyone wanted a new engine, it was generally a modified one. So we barely sold stock spec crate engines, thats why it was a rare case. Again not my terminology, but the official terms for the company that I was working for. |
| Posted by: Chihiro Mar 5 2013, 07:15 PM | ||
It's a VG30DE. |
| Posted by: Spaz Mar 6 2013, 05:38 AM |
| Factory crate motors do very much exist. |
| Posted by: s12drifter Mar 6 2013, 06:13 AM | ||
thats horse shit a VG30DE and E blocks are the same except flywheel bolt pattern and head bolt pattern, same rods crank and pistons. i would guess thats a short block, theres no way it's a long block updated: RB engine weights are off i cannot see why the rb26 would weight anymore then a 20. need to figure this out. |
| Posted by: JKaiba Mar 6 2013, 01:44 PM |
| rb25 without flywheel,cluch,starter,alternator+p.s pump on a pallet- 234kgs ... Most shops that ship out a complete RB26 average it out to 250kg for what that's worth (agrees with your numbers and fills that number for the 25). I don't care about swapping an RB20 into anything so I don't have those numbers. |
| Posted by: sometrueno Mar 6 2013, 01:49 PM |
| ka24 - 6000lbs (10kg) b6 whatever - fifty three 13b - -80lbs |
| Posted by: Tygur Mar 6 2013, 02:36 PM | ||
Maybe its complete VG30DE with trans in kg. I keep forgetting the US is bass-ackwards in measurement units. Either that or is just the block alone |
| Posted by: s12drifter Mar 6 2013, 02:45 PM | ||
NOW that makes sense! i wish the U.S would use KG |
| Posted by: s12drifter Apr 3 2013, 08:46 PM |
| updated list went with the most consistent numbers people were getting. if any errors please correct. |
| Posted by: Rudy Apr 4 2013, 12:08 AM | ||
Forgive me for my lack of knowledge, but when buying a rotary engine, what separates a long block from a short block?  On that note, why is it so bloody difficult to find the weight of the Lambda V6? I'm actually quite curious, and Google's letting me down.  |
| Posted by: backalleyracer Apr 4 2013, 12:57 AM |
| Mazda S4 13BT - 376 lbs S4 13B - 337 lbs |
| Posted by: s12drifter Apr 4 2013, 05:02 AM | ||
with or without transmission? wiring? alt? W/P? P/S? thats really light but thats expected for a rotary. |
| Posted by: Nomake Wan Apr 4 2013, 06:59 AM | ||
http://www.riceracing.com.au/13B-REW-engines.htm Five seconds in Google. It's just like what I wrote above. You can't just throw a short block into a car and fire it up, it's missing critical components. |
| Posted by: Rudy Apr 4 2013, 11:25 AM |
| I was actually trying to be a smartass, since I know that there's no valvetrain/head on a rotary engine, the rotating assembly is the valvetrain. But damn, those Rice Racing engines are sex. Loving the precision work!  |
| Posted by: s12drifter Apr 4 2013, 12:22 PM | ||
.... so how do you ring up a rotary in a junkyard.... its technically not a block nor cylinder head, or anything like that.. a housing? $70 bux?  |
| Posted by: Spaz Apr 4 2013, 03:45 PM |
| It's tough with a rotary though, I'd consider a fully assembled keg a longblock, if you will. |
| Posted by: backalleyracer Apr 4 2013, 09:54 PM |
| spaz is right, you call it a keg You don't want to take the motor apart at the junkyard my friends  oh - and those weights are without tranny, but EVERYTHING else |