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kyonpalm | Posted: Jun 12 2012, 10:02 AM | ||
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This software translates your facial expressions and certain movements into MikuMikuDance, a popular 3D model program, where it is then displayed through the model selected! I can only imagine how people will be exploiting this in the future... I have some ideas myself... | ||
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Perry | Posted: Jun 12 2012, 10:34 AM |
Like an eagle! Group: SITE OWNER Posts: 8,014 Member No.: 1 Joined: Sep 15th 2002 Location: San Leandro, California | This eerily remind me of the movie Surrogate where people no longer interact in contact but uses a "surrogate" to do all the interaction. I can see that becoming reality if our environment becomes less and less desirable for human to live in. Anyways, this is very cool technology. I can't wait to see what people can do with it. |
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Tessou | Posted: Jun 12 2012, 11:38 AM |
More NEGATIVE than a black hole Group: ADMINISTRATOR Posts: 19,345 Member No.: 12,263 Joined: Sep 12th 2005 Location: Update Profile | Just faces? Wait until it can do full body scanning, and then I will be suitably impressed. |
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Kiroshino | Posted: Jun 12 2012, 01:09 PM |
IDW Goldmember Group: FORUM MODERATOR Posts: 2,453 Member No.: 34,203 Joined: Oct 22nd 2009 Location: NJ, USA | Real-time full body scanning is inherently impossible from a single viewpoint. It can definitely be simulated, though, especially with technology like Leap Motion. |
kyonpalm | Posted: Jun 12 2012, 01:14 PM | ||
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Why is it impossible? I could imagine a program that recognizes your hands, feet and body shape to point-map a stick figure of you that is then used much in the same way as this facial-recognition one, maybe with more complexity for expression of movement. | ||
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Kiroshino | Posted: Jun 12 2012, 01:40 PM |
IDW Goldmember Group: FORUM MODERATOR Posts: 2,453 Member No.: 34,203 Joined: Oct 22nd 2009 Location: NJ, USA | I consider movement and scanning two separate topics. Movement is easy enough to detect, especially if you already have an idea of what the skeleton should look like. The Kinect does an okay job of this, albeit rough. When scanning any 3D object from a single view point, at any given time, you don't see the back of the object. |
kyonpalm | Posted: Jun 12 2012, 01:51 PM | ||
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I see what you're talking about, but why does it have to be 3D? Can't the program use a 2D map of your bodily coordinates to place the 3D model's movements? It's just a matter of calculating distance between multiple points on a 2D map to determine what is going on, then translating it to 3D model movement. I'm pretty sure it could be done, though any attempt right now would probably be primitive. | ||
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Tessou | Posted: Jun 12 2012, 02:25 PM | ||
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Microsoft's Kinect sensor does this with a single RGB camera and two depth sensors. Considering they've made it easy to work with when plugged into a PC, it could be used for full body scanning for this program instead of a shitty little webcam. | ||
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Kiroshino | Posted: Jun 12 2012, 02:35 PM | ||
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Hence, "Real-time full body scanning... It can definitely be simulated". Tessou: I'm actually working with the Kinect For Windows atm. Not too impressed with the sensitivity so far. Leap Motion promises to be better. | ||
Tessou | Posted: Jun 12 2012, 02:39 PM |
More NEGATIVE than a black hole Group: ADMINISTRATOR Posts: 19,345 Member No.: 12,263 Joined: Sep 12th 2005 Location: Update Profile | Using a better camera would have made the price jump higher than the console it was meant for. I would assume there are better mainstream examples of the technology out there. |
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kyonpalm | Posted: Jun 12 2012, 02:42 PM |
Professional Amateur Group: ADMINISTRATOR Posts: 10,568 Member No.: 30,882 Joined: Oct 16th 2008 Location: Laniakea | In other news, I like this guy. |
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Kiroshino | Posted: Jun 12 2012, 02:49 PM | ||
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Again, I'm suggesting Leap Motion. $70 when it comes out, compared to $249 for the Kinect for Windows. Probably for the purposes of keeping it small and portable, it's limited to 8 cubic feet of interactive space and is said to be accurate down to 1/100th of a millimeter. It uses a "mathematical approach to 3D", meaning it should be relatively easy to scale up and be used for larger environments. | ||
Nomake Wan | Posted: Jun 12 2012, 02:55 PM |
ShiMACHaze Group: Advanced Members Posts: 19,542 Member No.: 5,394 Joined: Feb 5th 2005 Location: Drydock | I haven't watched the video yet, but from the thumbnail image I have to say that it's amazing how far MMD has come. I know, I'm supposed to be amazed by whatever tech they're showing off and not the program itself, but look at the detail on that model! The rendering! It's truly amazing how far a piece of novelty open-source software has come in such a short time. Now to actually check this out. EDIT: Holy crap yeah. MMD's super-fast smooth rendering combined with this tech looks awesome. Finally a webcam software that actually does lip movement and such properly. Bring it on! This post has been edited by Nomake Wan on Jun 12 2012, 02:58 PM |
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kyonpalm | Posted: Jun 12 2012, 03:02 PM | ||
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I think this model (based on "Append Miku" if I recall correctly) came out a number of months ago, just so you know. It is amazing, I agree. | ||
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Nomake Wan | Posted: Jun 12 2012, 06:24 PM | ||
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Yeah, it's Append Miku. I'm just shocked at how many elements there are and how smoothly it renders. After looking at the setup again it's doubly amazing because that's a laptop running a dual-monitor setup during the demo. Holy crap. I agree, too, the dude in the background is obviously not as enthusiastic about his Miku-otaku peer's project. But that's okay. He'll get his turn. | ||
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Tessou | Posted: Jun 12 2012, 06:34 PM | ||
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Looking at the Leap Motion... I'm not impressed. It can only track and render one person's movements. Oh, and have fun setting up lighting. These things are assholes when it comes to light sources. | ||
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Kiroshino | Posted: Jun 12 2012, 08:25 PM |
IDW Goldmember Group: FORUM MODERATOR Posts: 2,453 Member No.: 34,203 Joined: Oct 22nd 2009 Location: NJ, USA | That may be its current capabilities, but I believe the technology has a lot of potential and some of its current limitations can be overcome with proper programming. I agree: I can imagine lighting being an issue. Might need to consider implementing audio cues to cover for some of the weaknesses of video-based systems. Anyway, that's all I'll be saying about this. Back on topic, this stuff looks really cool. This post has been edited by Kiroshino on Jun 12 2012, 08:27 PM |
Alastair | Posted: Jun 12 2012, 10:05 PM |
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Nomake Wan | Posted: Jun 13 2012, 12:23 AM |
ShiMACHaze Group: Advanced Members Posts: 19,542 Member No.: 5,394 Joined: Feb 5th 2005 Location: Drydock | Shouldn't be that long, I'd think. The nice thing about the researchers who plug stuff into MMD is they're usually Miku fans, and therefore usually follow the Miku-like philosophy of sharing with a community as a whole to better the total culture. I would think they'd want to share it once it's up to snuff. It'll be interesting to see how this develops, that's for sure. |
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Spaz | Posted: Jun 13 2012, 09:32 AM |
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Tessou | Posted: Jun 13 2012, 09:37 AM |
More NEGATIVE than a black hole Group: ADMINISTRATOR Posts: 19,345 Member No.: 12,263 Joined: Sep 12th 2005 Location: Update Profile | Until they can translate facial expressions into correct emotes, I have no interest. |
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Alastair | Posted: Jun 14 2012, 10:25 AM |
SNTS Group: Advanced Members Posts: 2,215 Member No.: 27,312 Joined: Nov 4th 2007 Location: Update Profile | Now that i think about it, if they make a full body system. i'll translate one of my dance pieces into MMD. Miku will be the ultimate dancer... |
kyonpalm | Posted: Jun 14 2012, 11:41 AM | ||
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OR... you will be the ultimate Miku. | ||
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Alastair | Posted: Jun 14 2012, 08:17 PM | ||
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Or maybe.....I AM MIKU MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | ||
kyonpalm | Posted: Jun 15 2012, 05:05 AM | ||
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I DON'T HABEEB IT! | ||
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