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| Posted by: Tomiya Takato Sep 26 2007, 06:10 AM |
| http://www.gtrnissan.com/ |
| Posted by: DALAZ_68 Sep 26 2007, 06:26 AM |
it felt like only yesterday we were all watching the first ever spy shots of this thing  |
| Posted by: Meteor Sep 26 2007, 06:49 AM |
| Yeah. They come into production so fast |
| Posted by: Phantom_R32 Sep 26 2007, 07:34 AM |
| Fast? o.o Seems like it's been years since they revealed it. >.> The year it came out kept on getting pushed back like a Gran Turismo game.  |
| Posted by: DALAZ_68 Sep 26 2007, 07:46 AM | ||
probably cuz they wanted to put IINNN the gran turismo game  |
| Posted by: Thir13Teen Sep 26 2007, 11:22 AM |
| Ah jeez, GTR Fanboys are gonna be in either joy or pain come four weeks. I can see it now GTRBoi: OMFG! Teh new Skyline is teh 1337! It'll pwn anythingzors on teh road! or R34-666: OH NOES! Not another crappy American version of a great JDM car! It will definately be teh sux! Just wait, it'll happen. |
| Posted by: DALAZ_68 Sep 26 2007, 11:23 AM | ||
HOW DID you know wut i was gonna say  get out of my head |
| Posted by: WRX DEMON Type R Sep 26 2007, 12:15 PM |
Man, they soo need to rip off Mitsubishi's commercial, you know the one with all the other cars bowing down to the new Eclipse? The new GTR imo would be more deserving of a commercial like that.  (Of course, the only cars that wouldnt bow down... Yep, you guessed it! Subarus!)  |
| Posted by: The New Guy Sep 26 2007, 12:21 PM |
Man for get the GTR, the new Impreza WRX is the way to go.  |
| Posted by: Thereno Sep 26 2007, 01:44 PM | ||
On that Subaru, WTF? When the '06 came out everyone was like "holy crap that's hideous", and the fired the guy that designed it. So now to turn it around the took the same designed and applied it to a hatchback. What the hell is their goal? To make a badass, performance Pinto? But anyways, I am looking forward to the GTR hitting the road. Can't wait to hear the stories of rich kids wrapping them around trees. And with my new income from buying some houses and the bar, I might buy me one of those. |
| Posted by: vwboyaf1 Sep 26 2007, 01:51 PM |
| 56,000 USD for the base model. That's not bad considering the competition. I don't understand why they don't make the most popular Skyline in Japan. The GTS-T. RWD, turbo, good clean fun. |
| Posted by: _CRASH_ Sep 26 2007, 02:05 PM |
| if I were to buy a skyline it would be the GTS-t. Because who needs AWD on tarmac? Because I don't know anyone who would run a car that expensive in the winter. |
| Posted by: Thir13Teen Sep 26 2007, 02:32 PM | ||
LOL. And it didn't even take two minutes for someone to mention their fanboy-ness. (DALAZ_68...I know where you live...JK!) |
| Posted by: Tomiya Takato Sep 26 2007, 05:37 PM | ||
meh...although im a huge skyline fan im not THAT stupid/retard |
| Posted by: d3v Sep 26 2007, 05:37 PM | ||
Nonsense, I believe that Carlos Ghosn has always stated a 2007 reveal for the production car. |
| Posted by: am3pkcet Sep 26 2007, 05:44 PM | ||
i was thinking more the corvette ;P |
| Posted by: hellbent Sep 26 2007, 07:23 PM | ||
que shit hitting the fan in 3................ 2........... ............. |
| Posted by: d3v Sep 26 2007, 07:29 PM | ||
Sadly, lately you've got a better chance of stirring up a sh_tstorm on this thread if you involve subies and not vettes. |
| Posted by: am3pkcet Sep 26 2007, 07:34 PM |
| and plus, the new GTR has been compared to the vette several times in many threads on this forum. i dont think anyone has ever mentioned it in the same breath as any subaru. in any event, i dont think this car will sell well in the states anyway. it doesnt have along pedigree history here, and despite its performance, many buyers who can actually afford to purchase one (IE not a bunch of internet fanboys) would have a hard time seeing past the nissan badge. released under infiniti, it would likely make much more money and sell many more units. |
| Posted by: MidnightViper88 Sep 26 2007, 07:42 PM |
| f**k YEAH! 27 DAYS! Gonna get me some cham-pag-ne and bundle up my Monopoly bucks, gonna go down to the Nissan dealership and bring me my payday... I CAN'T WAIT |
| Posted by: d3v Sep 27 2007, 12:15 AM | ||
You realize now that you are obligated to change update the no.of days daily until the car debuts. |
| Posted by: Tomiya Takato Sep 27 2007, 12:57 AM |
| yeah ive changed it i was at school just now |
| Posted by: DreadAngel Sep 27 2007, 01:11 AM | ||
I thought only the V-Spec model will come with the 4WD while the lower spec are RWD? |
| Posted by: d3v Sep 27 2007, 01:27 AM |
| Hmm, some spy reports are now saying that the prototypes have lapped the 'Ring faster than a Z06 and a 911 Turbo and that the team are now aiming at the Carrera GT, specifically the time set by Walter Rohrl (around 7:28, the test cars have reportedly lapped it in 7:35 on a slightly wet track). http://blogs.motortrend.com/6217108/car-news/nissan-gt-r-japanese-pricing-announced-ring-runs-continue/index.html |
| Posted by: MG starion Sep 27 2007, 01:48 AM |
| this GT-R seams like a Reno with a big engine and a nissan badge, whatever happened to the days when fast cars were based on race cars, if they had planned on entering GT1 with a version of this car then id be interested, |
| Posted by: d3v Sep 27 2007, 01:51 AM | ||
But you don't get Reno's with suspensions by Lotus and engines by Cosworth now do you. |
| Posted by: MG starion Sep 27 2007, 02:03 AM |
thats why i said like  i just dont like these sports car's by the budjet and marketing departments, |
| Posted by: d3v Sep 27 2007, 05:15 PM | ||
I don't know how you can call the GT-R a car by the budget and marketing department. Edit: It looks like the GT-R has the show all to itself as Honda wont be revealing the production version of it's next gen Acura supercar at Tokyo (instead revealing another concept). |
| Posted by: Tomiya Takato Sep 28 2007, 12:02 AM |
| 25 days more till debut |
| Posted by: chain_smoking_gc8 Sep 28 2007, 10:54 AM |
| kind of off topic, but does anyone know if the nismo Super GT team would use the gtr next year or still using the z? |
| Posted by: EA11R Sep 28 2007, 03:30 PM |
| Now, I'm afraid of being called a fanboy, but I think I'll take the latter example. I honestly can't imagine one of the best Japanese cars arriving in America completely unmolested (note, that isn't sexual). I imagine they will dilute it with more comfortable and safe suspensions, oodles of sound insulation, more safety, (higher weight) and engine alterations to please the 'save the trees' crowd. That said, I believe it is already plenty diluted already; high power may be compensating for cornering performance, as in many American or Luxury cars, and, since many cars, GT-R included, gain wieght with every chassis change, I imagine well over 1600kg car for America and exactly 1600kg elsewhere. That said, it will be a nice car, but American availability and the passage of time (Engineers say "More weight? No problem! More power!") will make it much worse than the non-American GT-Rs. Though it will be entertaining to see it with rediculous price increases at the Infiniti dealers, followed by very large price drops as the car stops selling almost completely. Remember, if the NSX taught the world anything, it was this: Americans do not want expensive Japanese cars! |
| Posted by: d3v Sep 28 2007, 05:58 PM |
| More unofficial lap timing reports. http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/22/round-1-gt-r-vs-911-turbo-at-the-ring-advantage-gt-r/ http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/25/but-wait-theres-more-nissan-gt-r-at-the-ring-gunning-for-th/ |
| Posted by: Tomo Sep 29 2007, 08:40 PM |
| did you guys catch this tiny little detail about the GTR? ...that this car WON'T BE AVAILABLE WITH A MANUAL TRANSMISSION? |
| Posted by: d3v Sep 29 2007, 09:02 PM | ||
DSG style flappy paddle, works fine with me. Besides, you ahve to remember that my current, most favoritest car in the world, the one vehicle I'd give my soul and a half to have, that stunning beauty queen that is the Aston Martin DB9, works best with a flappy paddle automatic. |
| Posted by: DK_2 Sep 29 2007, 10:30 PM | ||
WTF. Even though I won't be able to drive till like 4-5 years from now that sucks. |
| Posted by: am3pkcet Sep 29 2007, 10:40 PM | ||
its not like anyone on this forum could actually afford to buy one anyway |
| Posted by: BmwNeoType Sep 29 2007, 11:07 PM | ||
If americans did not want expensive japanese cars, lexus, infiniti and acura would not be doing so well as they are, and keep in mind that even though the NSX did not sell as much, the 60,000 dollar Supra, and 90,000 NSX did play their part in the USA. And Current japanese emissions are just as strict or stricter than overall/average USA Standards (California excluded). Most tuned up street cars in japan have had/even more so now JASMA MEMBERSHIP (equivalent of say CARB Stickers). JASMA approved parts are basically street legal modifications so to speak. I am sure they will make the car with the option of either a V160 GETRAG 6 gear transmission or a new 6 speed all unique to this car. Even though it sucks that this car is heavy, but Nissan has always been a hard hitter when it comes to japanese performance machines, and i am sure this will do something good. The worse thing that could happen is that this car gets insulted by GTR purists and clumped along with the supposedly "failed" R33 GTR. Large, heavy and powerful, makes for a great highway assualt car, just like the R33 and Supra. |
| Posted by: am3pkcet Sep 30 2007, 01:42 AM |
| actually, if the NSX tought us anything, its that people dont want to pay nearly 100,000$ for an underpowered, outdated, decade-and-a-half old car that had long since been surpassed by all of its competition, and was struggling to compete in power with cars 1/3 its price. |
| Posted by: d3v Sep 30 2007, 01:51 AM |
| If the NSX taught us anything, it's that the Japanese can go and make something that can threaten the Europeans (*cough*cough*ferrari*cough*) enough to make them stand up and change what they're doing. |
| Posted by: am3pkcet Sep 30 2007, 01:59 AM |
| ferrari were probably shaken up more in the 60s by ford then they ever were by the NSX. |
| Posted by: MidnightViper88 Sep 30 2007, 02:04 AM | ||
That argument's only good for, what, the first couple years of the NSX's life? The old cliché "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" doesn't exactly work for a car that essentially stays on the market for 15 years unchanged in the face of a growing and evolving competition...Honda may have comparitivly made Ferrari look cheap in quality at first, but towards the end of the NSX's life when Ferrari actually came out with newly competetive cars, they made Honda look like a bunch of lazy asses...  |
| Posted by: d3v Sep 30 2007, 02:18 AM | ||
But the NSX was the wake up call that Ferrari couldn't just slap their badge on anything and sell it. Now if only Honda had continuted developing the car. |
| Posted by: Tomiya Takato Sep 30 2007, 02:25 AM |
| http://rocketpunchautoblog.blogspot.com/2007/09/nissan-r35-gt-r-spec-confirmed-floor.html 650 usd$ just for the floormat + fking stop with the arguements already if u wanna argue go and make a topic and argue the fk outta it |
| Posted by: MidnightViper88 Sep 30 2007, 02:37 AM | ||
After-the-fact comment, null. |
| Posted by: awdrifter Sep 30 2007, 04:03 AM |
| I can't wait. Definitely going to get a used one in a few years when they are down to the $30k range. |
| Posted by: BmwNeoType Sep 30 2007, 07:32 AM |
| They are in the 28,000 range for the 92-93 NSXs. When im looking to buy my next car next year i will consider it. It is not the fastest, but def an overall fun and great car! But i still love the FD, too... we shall see. The NSX was a fun, reliable, and practical sports car to compete with ferraris who were not exactly practical and reliable. In 1992 when 280 horsepower was a lot, the NSX was not exactly "underpowered". But due to the 280 hp regulation, and the fact that the car was naturally aspirated, its not exactly easy to just bump up the power levels so they developed the chassis and suspension to the point where tuners could just bump up the power and have a great car. I personally believe the NSX is a great value for 80,000 even new. Power is ok, that car has enough road presence alone. |
| Posted by: DeeezNuuuts83 Sep 30 2007, 07:54 AM |
| First of all, the NSX DID shake things up because it was such a strong competitor to Ferrari and Porsche at the time of its release, as it was easier to drive than both companies' current offerings (348 and 911/964) while being just as good of a performer and competitively priced. And a decent amount of people did want to pay its big pricetag during its first year. The fall of the NSX occurred because both Ferrari and Porsche struck back quickly with the much better engineered F355 and next-generation 911, respectively... both of which made huge jumps in capability compared to their predecessors. On top of that, NSX revisions came very slowly, and the model was left relatively unchanged over twelve years. Even with the bigger V-6 that it got in 1997 (usually after that period of time, the whole car gets replaced rather than getting a bump in displacement), it wasn't nearly enough. So it's not that it was a bad car or anything by any means, it's just that Honda was too focused on profiting on the massive sales of Accords and Civics through its constant R&D (good for business) rather than further developing its halo car that feeds the souls of car enthusiasts (bad for image)... consider it the complete opposite of what GM had been doing with the Corvette and the rest of their lineup. |
| Posted by: MattW Sep 30 2007, 08:59 AM |
| God the new GT-R is ugly. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Sep 30 2007, 10:45 AM |
| 2008 GT-R > BMW 130i 2 door hatch/135i coupe > 2008 Impreza. in that order. |
| Posted by: Tomo Sep 30 2007, 10:50 AM | ||
you're going to be waiting at least 5 years to even remotely be close to the 30k range on one of these. |
| Posted by: AntiRellik Sep 30 2007, 10:54 AM |
| ^and wait at least 7 years to even remotely be close to the 30k range on one of these in GOOD CONDITION. That is, if any GT-Rs get sold I like this new GT-R, but I have the feeling it'll be Nissan's futuristic model of the NSX. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Sep 30 2007, 11:02 AM |
with the exception that it has performance that matches the looks.  |
| Posted by: MattW Sep 30 2007, 11:11 AM |
| Well, if the performance matches the looks, it'll be pretty damn slow. |
| Posted by: BmwNeoType Sep 30 2007, 02:52 PM | ||
Actually the NSX-R is faster than a 355 around a road course (at least fuji speedway) , the only reason i love the 355 is the sound and road presense, not exactly its Speed. The same goes with the NSX. I think Ferrari with the F430 HAS FINALLY Got it right with their "entry level" Ferrari. 355 and 360 were un-refined in many many ways. I love to own the NSX over the 360 and 360 Challenge and between an NSX and 355 Challenge it would be hard for me to decide. |
| Posted by: Dave Rodgers Sep 30 2007, 03:02 PM |
| That gives me 22 days to clear out my garage for delivery of that powerful machine. |
| Posted by: DeeezNuuuts83 Sep 30 2007, 03:39 PM | ||
You're right, but keep in mind that the NSX-R was introduced after the F355... even after the 360 came out, from what I remember, though they wanted it to be faster particularly around specific tracks. It was just disappointing when they didn't even try to extract any extra power, but still cool that they were able to shed more weight. |
| Posted by: BmwNeoType Sep 30 2007, 05:47 PM |
| NSX still needs to improve cooling though LOL, they overheat after 4 laps on fuji speedway and ebisu. Which is kind of bad. I just love the way they look, the way the cockpit is, its a good quality and reliable car. The sound is something else esp with ITBs and Titan exhaust manifold and exhaust system. If i had an NSX i wouldnt care if a supra or w/e was faster. |
| Posted by: DeeezNuuuts83 Sep 30 2007, 06:11 PM |
| ^ Now that I look at pictures of the NSX, it actually makes sense, with the only air inlets being the scoop directly behind the rear windshield and the side intakes, though I'm not exactly sure where that incoming air is directed toward. Plus I don't really see any vents to help extract the heat generated by the motor either. |
| Posted by: Tomiya Takato Oct 2 2007, 06:03 AM |
| 20 days till new skyline debut |
| Posted by: d3v Oct 2 2007, 05:58 PM | ||
from the other thread. |
| Posted by: vhsfootball_82 Oct 2 2007, 08:14 PM |
yay 21 days left and ima go to the dealership just to see it  And stay on topic guys, no more outdated stuff...... yay for GTR...... hey is GTR running on the new G37 engine only Turbocharged? the VQ37.....dont remember the last ones....lol i wouldnt mind waiting 4 or 5 years for the price tag to go down.....at least ur getting a skyline that later.........kids wish they had one and then u sell them for HIGH PRICES!!! MUAHAHAHAHA i hope initial D puts one of these in their episodes.......it should be like in 10th stage lol then charge the Initial D TAX!!!! hiya!!! weeeee woooooo.....money money money...... i doubt lol |
| Posted by: BmwNeoType Oct 2 2007, 10:01 PM |
| New engine is the VR38DETT. A better variant of the VQ at 3.8L Twin Turbocharged. |
| Posted by: d3v Oct 3 2007, 03:32 AM | ||
Already mentioned. Tuners are gonna hate it if the turbos built in to the manifold as reported. |
| Posted by: VTiRoj Oct 3 2007, 06:30 AM | ||
Someone will be able to work around that sometime in the future. Just give it time. I wonder how long until one of these new GT-R's hits motorsport. I expect it'll be in SuperGT replacing the Z. |
| Posted by: DeeBo Oct 3 2007, 01:55 PM | ||
I can't wait to see that.  |
| Posted by: vhsfootball_82 Oct 3 2007, 04:43 PM | ||
what? no? is nissan trying to keep enthusiasts from modding the engine? I mean, even though someone is going to come up with a crazy turbo set up, its still going to be hella of a job. im pretty sure some ppl are gonna go single turbo as well. |
| Posted by: Möbius Oct 3 2007, 04:58 PM | ||
It would probably have more to do with emissions than anything else. |
| Posted by: DeeezNuuuts83 Oct 3 2007, 07:09 PM | ||
It's not getting released that day, it's just getting officially unveiled. Don't expect to see them available for U.S. sale for at least another few months. |
| Posted by: d3v Oct 3 2007, 09:31 PM | ||
When your engine already comes from the good people at Cosworth, any form of modding could be seen by some as blasphemy. |
| Posted by: VTiRoj Oct 4 2007, 02:02 AM | ||
Tell that to the guys in the UK who take the Ford Cosworth models and take them to 550bhp, and some (such as Reyland) who take it to 6-700bhp Nismo will no doubt tweak the GT-R later on, but its only a matter of time for Top Secret, HKS, Veilside, etc to get their hands on it |
| Posted by: MG starion Oct 4 2007, 02:43 AM |
| they already have from what ive heard, nissan gave all the top tuners a GT-R in advance to mod and show off at the tokyo auto salon, |
| Posted by: wangan_sti Oct 4 2007, 03:50 AM |
It looks o cool in GT5  . Makes me wanna buy a PS3 |
| Posted by: Tomiya Takato Oct 4 2007, 03:53 AM |
| 19 days left + new pic my friend gave me http://www.skylinetalk.com/wp-content/uploads/Skyline_evo1.jpg http://images25.fotosik.pl/23/07390a2086a4cabe.jpg http://www.autocarmag.com/contentImages/Car/Nissan/Skyline/477784657.jpg http://thenextgtr.com/ |
| Posted by: BmwNeoType Oct 4 2007, 08:06 AM |
| I cannot wait till MCR, Garage Saurus, and other GTR shops get their hands on it. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 4 2007, 08:17 AM |
I'm already drooling for the Nismo version. knowing them, they'll make it even higher revving beast that has power and torque all over the place! buhbye, Mr. Ferrari!  |
| Posted by: BmwNeoType Oct 4 2007, 09:39 AM |
| Ferrari and Nissan should not even be used in the same sentence together. Sure Nissan GTR can be faster than an F430 or F430 Scuderia. But the style, class, performance and prestige that is ferrari can only be touched by a few. If i had a ferrari, i would not care less if joe schmoe in his 600 hp Supra was faster. |
| Posted by: awdrifter Oct 4 2007, 10:01 AM |
| I think just the opposite, what's in a badge anyways. If the GTR is outperforms a F430 Scuderia in everyway and it's cheaper and more tunable, I would choose the GTR in no question. |
| Posted by: Spike Razzor Oct 4 2007, 10:38 AM | ||
I love the F40, the 288 GTO and a few other 80's - 90's Ferrari's, but even I understand that it 90% of the time these cars are driven by a bunch of rich posers who bought them simply to give there ego's a raging hard on. Style, performance? The SuperAmerica looks just like the 612 with the exception of foglights... And the Enzo looks like a a 360 with sharper, more F1 style edges. Performance wise, there are quite a few cars that are 2 - 3 times less the asking price that would make a mockery most of the newer models. I will give them credit for the technology there putting into these cars, its cutting edge and somewhat makes up for the high price, but I don't like how you have to own a bunch of supercars, be in clubs full of rich guys with cars etc. just to own one. Bugatti is by far the worse if your trying to get they Veyron. Sorry 50 Cent, but like MC Hammer said "Can't touch this.". |
| Posted by: BmwNeoType Oct 4 2007, 03:12 PM |
| I work with both kind of owners of the spectrum on a weekly basis. Owning a high end car is an experience, not just going fast. Sure, the C6 Z06 is a badass car, many of my friends/clients have 500-600 whp R32s and R34s that would blow away every exotic they see (i saw a stock turbo 300 whp/330 wtorque S15 annihilate a 996 GT3 w/ bolt ons on the highway) . The same can be said about the GTR and NSX. Most guys with hondas and miatas think all GTR owners are a bunch of rich idiots, and all the GTR owners think lamborghini owners are idiots. Most of the ferrari guys i do business with and hang out with on a weekly basis are very cool, work on their own cars and race them on the track and street. Like i said if i had a Ferrari/Porsche, there are a few i like and a few i hate, i would not care if the local 350Z was faster, the same rule goes for the NSX. If i had an NSX i would not care if the local S2000 or DC2 was getting faster lap times. The exhaust note on a ferrari or NSX or a 3-4 rotor Rx7 is just something other cars cannot touch, just that sound, experience, the looks of the car, the speed is just a nice big plus. |
| Posted by: d3v Oct 5 2007, 01:29 AM | ||
But isn't that how Ferrari, not only operates, but helps build the mystique and romance about the brand. Exclusivity is a very big thing among the regular clientele of Ferrari and most other supercar brands. |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Oct 6 2007, 07:57 AM | ||
your getting one? |
| Posted by: Tomiya Takato Oct 8 2007, 02:33 AM |
| 15 days left...................... |
| Posted by: wangan_sti Oct 8 2007, 02:41 AM |
| Make it 14, this is also the countdown to the new impreza |
| Posted by: Kenji Oct 8 2007, 05:24 AM |
| I can't wait for it man... But I really hope it doesn't have the headlights similar to the Infiniti G37...  |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 8 2007, 06:24 AM |
 I know you all have seen this, but, this is EXACTLY how it is going to look. |
| Posted by: evo4life Oct 8 2007, 07:26 AM |
I know everyone is getting all excited and counting down the days, but dont forget that the countdown is for its debut at the Tokyo Motor Show on Oct. 24th and NOT its introduction intothe market. It will be released in Japan around December and the US wont get it until sometime early 2008. So calm down...  |
| Posted by: Kenji Oct 8 2007, 07:27 AM |
Now... That's beautiful...  |
| Posted by: W.A.R Oct 8 2007, 08:54 AM | ||
And the front still reminds me of a 350z. Cars these days always look the same. |
| Posted by: Hachi_Roku Oct 8 2007, 09:23 AM |
| So, if anyone gets it, do they know the initial sticker price? My guess it's gonna be in the neighborhood of 50-80k |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 8 2007, 10:03 AM | ||
If you think that's beautiful, you've been hanging around new Subaru's too much. |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Oct 8 2007, 12:42 PM | ||
| The GTR will be coming out soon, and people have talked about after market supplies for the US for the car (to tune) and i have a little quote from Mr.Niikura Michizo (the founder of "Mine's" tuning house in japan "I'm really looking forward to releasing parts for the Z and the new 2008 Nissan GT-R. I want to open a shop in LA and have that be my US headquarters. Sometime next year" "What are your thoughts on the new VQ38 versus the older RB26? They're completely diferent engines, of course, but they're both GT-R motors. They're great motors. Even if the new engine isn't an RB, I can tune it. I'm not worried. As a characterisics of the car, I don't think it's the type of car you just want to max out the horsepower on. The characteristic of the new GT-R won't be to boost the engine power, but to increase the total factor of the car a little higher. With the VQ it's an advancement of technology using an aluminum blocking, compact V- engine. I have no worries about the engine, because it's been developed by one of the best engineers at Nissan. I'm confident it's a good engine to start with" "When should we expect the next Mine's Nissan GT-R? And what color will it be? I hope to release the new GT-R within this year. And it'll be white of course." http://drive.gtchannel.com/?c=127&a=1139&sp=1
Which Impreza?  the Rally-concept looking one? or the WRX STi? |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Oct 14 2007, 08:00 PM |
| NEW INFO Only 7 days until release! Wednesday, 9/26 at 10:30 Japan time is when preorder will officially start. The official preorder brochures will be available to customers on 9/26, at which time the front fascia will be unveiled. http://jalopnik.com/cars/tokyo-auto-show/nissan-gt+r-tons-of-new-info-303566.php There are three trim levels: Base Black Edition Platinum Edition There are 6 exterior colors: Super Black Vibrant Red Pearl White (30k yen option) Titanium Grey Dark Metal Grey (according to a magazine, they will only produce 40 cars a month with this color) Ultimate Metal Silver (300k yen option) There are 2 interior colors: Black edition only gets black Base and Platinum can choose black or grey Wheels and Tires: Base GT-R comes with unnamed alloys and Dunlop Sport tires Black and Platinum editions come with Rays wheels and Bridgestone RE070s (run flat). Other: The chassis code is R35 Platinum edition comes with a Thatcham class immobiliser and alarm Platinum edition comes with a Bose sound system Platinum edition has seat heater Side airbag system is optional on all 3 trims Engine and Drivetrain: The engine designation is VR38 (3.8 Liter ) The engine performance of the 3 trims is the same There is no Manual transmission option  Pricing: Base - 7,770,000yen (tax included) Black edition - 7,927,500yen (tax included) Platinum edition - 8,347,500yen (tax included) Optional: Titanium muffler (10 kg lighter) Anti-theft immobilizer 250,000 yen There will be 160 high performance centers throughout Japan specialized in servicing the GT-R with GT-R specific mechanics (written in the preorder material). |
| Posted by: Kenji Oct 14 2007, 08:10 PM |
| Holy SH!t, a 2,500 dollars paint job? |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Oct 14 2007, 08:21 PM | ||
i know ...but if you think about it, it kinda costs the same to do a custom paint job... |
| Posted by: DeeBo Oct 14 2007, 08:57 PM |
| Isn't the price tag about 60-70 k and up? >_< |
| Posted by: BmwNeoType Oct 14 2007, 09:56 PM |
| I am sure we can start to see a lot more japanese tuning shops opening branches/small arms here in LA, and more of the USA. They do not get paid that well over there as they would over here in the USA. I heard from a VERY RELIABLE small bird RE AMEMIYA will be opening a small parts facility/shop here in LA also. |
| Posted by: Sweeper Oct 14 2007, 11:05 PM | ||
But there is a main difference though. Usually custom paint jobs are done by hand and by painters in a paintshop. This one is done from factory by machines which are a lot cheaper and quicker than a painter ever will be. |
| Posted by: Supra Saiyan Oct 15 2007, 12:50 AM | ||
source? 20 characters |
| Posted by: rx7rage Oct 15 2007, 07:26 AM |
| wtf, no manual transmission? so i'm assuming they're gonna be all tiptronic? |
| Posted by: d3v Oct 15 2007, 07:55 AM | ||||
Anything is better looking than the new STI. I mean, there's a reason the pics they showed in Top Gear are partly in the dark.
Aren't they using a DSG like dual clutch system? |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 15 2007, 10:01 AM |
| that is correct, but you guys have to remember that this is base model with different trim levels. V-Spec and "Evo" will be launched later, and manual will most likely made it's way in the options list. |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Oct 15 2007, 02:07 PM | ||
sorry i forgot to post the source, http://jalopnik.com/cars/tokyo-auto-show/nissan-gt+r-tons-of-new-info-303566.php
lets pray for that to happen lol |
| Posted by: DeeezNuuuts83 Oct 16 2007, 07:35 AM |
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/16/2008-nissan-gt-r-unveiled-on-cover-of-motor-trend/ |
| Posted by: WRX Oct 16 2007, 08:13 AM | ||
at the title "Corvette -Killer" that would make sense though.I also have one question, are they going to have atleast 1 car in the nissan showroom? |
| Posted by: DeeezNuuuts83 Oct 16 2007, 09:36 AM | ||
I can only imagine next month's issue filled with letters from upset readers with boners for American muscle, talking about how "Japs" can't make real cars. |
| Posted by: AntiRellik Oct 16 2007, 01:43 PM |
| Humm, I liked the prototypes frontend better it looked more aggresive... |
| Posted by: Ken Nōgami Oct 16 2007, 02:57 PM | ||
If that is what the GT-R is going to be.... WHAT IN GOD'S NAME IS THAT THING?! It reminds me of the 05 Celica. Somehow. Please don't flay me. |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 16 2007, 02:59 PM |
       Ick. It isn't even in the same class as a Z06, this has 4 seats, the Z06, only two. Also, LOL at automatic. |
| Posted by: Ken Nōgami Oct 16 2007, 03:04 PM | ||
I'd buy it..... ....If I won the lottery. I wasted so much on the truck. |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 16 2007, 03:08 PM |
| The truck is FAR more practical. |
| Posted by: sometrueno Oct 16 2007, 03:20 PM |
| Geez, horrible English all over the place isn't it? (In this thread) Anyways, I think this thing looks great! I'd totally buy one. |
| Posted by: Akira Oct 16 2007, 03:33 PM | ||
We all knew it was auto before these pics, man. And so what if it has 4 seats? SO did the last 3 GT-Rs. Truth be told, the front end does look slightly less aggressive, but if they added more of that black trim like on the grille, that would fix it right up, I still very much like the look, and I'm sure it'll be great around the track, lets' just hope it's as great as everyone hopes.. |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 16 2007, 03:46 PM |
| I know everyone knew, it still looks funny, haha. |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Oct 16 2007, 07:19 PM |
OMG they kinda killed the front end, but theres something about that automatic that just bugs me...its like saying "I have a Ferrari F430...and its automatic!  " it just doesn't make sense  BTW "Although we still don’t have any official details about the car’s new drivetrain, most are expecting to see a 3.8L V6 engine fed by a pair of turbochargers and mated to a dual-clutch gearbox with the latest ATESSA all-wheel drive setup. The car should measure in at 4,650mm in length and 1,920mm across. There’s rumored to be three different flavors of the new GT-R, starting with a 450hp entry-level model and ranging up to a 530hp flagship. This latter version is expected to be a stripped out racer with plenty of carbon-fiber and a track-tuned suspension." New LeMans Racer Anyone? (if it does, i bet it will kick corvettes ass, but thats just MIO) |
| Posted by: BOZZ Savage Oct 16 2007, 08:23 PM | ||
Like heck that's going to happen. Also I like this front end much better than the prototype. I hated those black things under the headlights. I also like the exhaust too. Ian |
| Posted by: Rayn Oct 16 2007, 08:43 PM |
| concerning looks, i for one think it looks terrible. |
| Posted by: awdrifter Oct 16 2007, 08:52 PM |
It doesn't look too bad to me, but I wish they would'ved kept the concept's heeadlight design, it's much more distintive. Too bad it starts at $80k, I was hoping to buy a used one for around $30k in 4-5 years, looks like that's not going to happen.  |
| Posted by: sabishii Oct 16 2007, 08:53 PM |
| Damn, it lost a lot of its character - as in its slanted backwards look. |
| Posted by: DeeBo Oct 16 2007, 08:56 PM |
| If I ever win the lottery or somehow get a shit load of money, this is the first thing I'll buy. Then I'll buy a super secret garage, where there's a platform that rises from underground that spins, revealing a black on black GT-R. [Batman anyone?] |
| Posted by: Rayn Oct 16 2007, 09:03 PM |
| well considering its shape it might look best in dark colors. cant wait to see what the people/aftermarket does to it. |
| Posted by: DeeezNuuuts83 Oct 16 2007, 09:38 PM |
| The front end definitely looks weird, especially with the loss of the black part under the headlights along with no air intakes on the sides of the bumper. Anyway, I agree about it looking better in dark colors, especially with there being a Black Edition of some sort (as stated in some of the GT-R handouts from Nissan) that is going to be just that--all black (though I think it might be available in the darker gray color as well) and somewhat of a track version, compared to the Platinum Edition (which is supposed to have more luxury amenities). Either way, it's no slouch... not a bad deal for 0-60 in 3.5 seconds with quarter-mile times in the 11s. Plus it's been rumored to have had Nurburgring times of below 7:35 so far (though unofficially), which is amazing for what it is. |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Oct 16 2007, 10:03 PM |
| http://rocketpunchautoblog.blogspot.com/2007/09/nissan-r35-gt-r-is-for-people-who-cant.html hmm seems the expected weight is some Wheels and Tires: * Base GT-R comes with unnamed alloys and Dunlop Sport tires * Black and Premium editions come with Rays wheels and Bridgestone RE070s (run flat) (these models shouldnt be mistaken with the GTR EVO version) * Front 255/40 ZRF 20, Rear 285/35 ZRF 20 Other: * The chassis code is CBA-R35 * Dimension: 4655mm L x 1895mm W x 1370mm H * Weight is 1740 kg /3836 lbs * Premium edition comes with a Thatcham class immobilizer and alarm (optional on the Base and Black Edition) * Premium edition comes with a Bose sound system (optional on the Base and Black Edition) * Side airbag system is optional on all 3 trims Engine and Drivetrain: * The engine designation is VR38DETT (Twin Turbocharged 3.8-liter V6) * The engine performance of the 3 trims is the same * There is no Manual transmission option Well I'm less then enchanted. From the looks of things, unless you also happen to be cross shopping for some Audi heavy weight the only GT-R we will be interested is the EVO version.. |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 17 2007, 02:09 AM | ||
AWD/4WD, isn't allowed at Le Mans, buddy. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 17 2007, 03:48 AM |
| Until the car is released, all this is mostly speculation.. so hold your horses. |
| Posted by: Steve Oct 17 2007, 04:31 AM |
| No manual ? That blows pretty badly. Too bad. I just hear the thing in person. I think it looks pretty nice. It may not look like most of you fan boys wanted, but atleast it's a GT-R so grow the f**k up. |
| Posted by: d3v Oct 17 2007, 07:07 AM | ||
Gonna be tough considering the turbos are part of the exhaust manifold. I'm not that bothered by the lack of a manual (my current favorite car - the DB9 - comes with an excellent automatic and a so-so manual). What I want to now is how it's pulling those damn fast Nurburgring times (both officially stated and clocked by observers) that blow it well past the 911 and 'vette, with that kind of weight. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 17 2007, 09:33 AM |
| http://www.nagtroc.com/forums/AutoWeek-s-First-Drive-Of-the-GTR-t20126.html I guess that it was still under development back then, but.. it's back, Godzilla is back, despite slightly uglier face to scare off the pretty boys like Ferraris etc.. |
| Posted by: Meteor Oct 17 2007, 09:48 AM |
Godzilla is indeed back  |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 17 2007, 10:11 AM |
| and judging from what I've read from corvette forums, Z06 owners are getting bit jumpy.. |
| Posted by: Spike Razzor Oct 17 2007, 11:25 AM | ||
Fixed. Anyways, once I saw what it would look like, I made this comment on I-D. "Looks like a 350Z/G35 (which this piece of shit is more related to)... Shit_2.0, fawking burn in hell, the Skyline bloodline has been watered down and pissed in." |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 17 2007, 11:31 AM |
| Godzilla isn't back, because theres no Grp A anymore. Therefore, all your statements have been made null, and void. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 18 2007, 03:13 AM |
| you V8 lovers just are denying the truth. GT-R has matched the pace of 997 Turbo, and 997 Turbo is tough competitor for Z06.. so yeah, GT-R IS competing with Z06 directly. |
| Posted by: Sweeper Oct 18 2007, 03:36 AM | ||
Actually. The Skyline went to Europe, Oceania as well as Japan when it was launched you know. So you don't need the Group A to bring back the Godzilla, after all that nickname was given in Australia... Then with the consecutive victories in the JGTC I think it does earn its Godzilla tag actually. |
| Posted by: Spike Razzor Oct 18 2007, 04:52 AM | ||
Well atleast I have something to rub in Psychocase and 1200HP 68 Mustang's faces when I go back to carforums. These two nimrods judge cars by HP per dollar, which is the only thing the can really unique about the Z06 (its pretty cheap for what your getting), and since this is no longer the case, lol. |
| Posted by: DreadAngel Oct 18 2007, 05:25 AM | ||
Correct, Godzilla was given after the BNR32 smashed opponents in Bathurst for two years straight before getting the chop by the officials lolz Z06 getting jumpy aye? I guess the sky fell down too while they were shaking lol |
| Posted by: Spike Razzor Oct 18 2007, 07:46 AM | ||
There gonna have to put a blower on the 'Vette to crank anymore HP out of that engine, but if they do that then to me that isn't a Corvette anymore because none have every come with any sort of force induction. |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Oct 18 2007, 10:11 AM | ||
That was the GTR evo, no way this near 3900lb 275 runflat car is matching pace with a 911turbo. We will have to wait to see what all the gtr evo has spec wise, but it will be a more expensive and I imagine far less civil as a street car. Also, I wouldn't put any manufacturers 'ring times to too seriously. Not because there are so many variables such as track conditions/weather but probably more importantly the integrity of the manufacturer that is giving them to us. |
| Posted by: Sweeper Oct 18 2007, 02:14 PM | ||
Leave it to GanSan then... He did quite an impressive run around the ring in the R32 back in the day and wasn't too far off from what the Nissan test drivers did with it... So I suppose we will see a Best Motoring video on this car, although their release dates are kinda off if you ask me... They should have sold it worldwide oh well, the longer they delay the more Corvette owners there are going to be and the harder their sales are going to be... Why should a Z06 owner run out and buy a GT-R? I can understand those who are looking at a car like the Corvette but doesn't have one though, once you have the Corvette Z06 the performance difference between it and the GT-R is too close to warrant a change. |
| Posted by: Tomiya Takato Oct 18 2007, 04:38 PM |
| you corvette lovers should have just posted those crap on ur own topic this skyline has nothing to do with corvette [admit it this skyline's gonna pwn those vette's] |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 18 2007, 04:39 PM | ||
No. I'm tired of all you fanboys, haha. |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Oct 18 2007, 04:47 PM | ||
amen to that dude, amen |
| Posted by: am3pkcet Oct 18 2007, 04:52 PM | ||
do you even have a car? or a driver's license for that matter? |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 18 2007, 04:57 PM |
| Neither of the two do, haha, they are both like, 12-13. Therefore, their points are null and void. |
| Posted by: d3v Oct 18 2007, 05:07 PM | ||
Isn't the new ZR1 or whatever they're calling it now powered by a supercharged LS7? |
| Posted by: Kenji Oct 18 2007, 05:18 PM |
| A few weeks ago, I came across this: http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/228363/ Apparently Chevy is building a new corvette- The Vette Blue Devil |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 18 2007, 05:25 PM | ||
The Blue Devil has been around for a few years, the official name for it will be the ZR1. |
| Posted by: d3v Oct 18 2007, 05:26 PM | ||
Old news! Back on topic. The dual-clutch, paddle shifted transaxle should just about silence those complaining about the car being an automatic (it's probably automatic the same way an F430 is, it's simply easier to certify an auto-clutch box as an automatic and not a manual). |
| Posted by: Ken Nōgami Oct 18 2007, 05:32 PM | ||
Couldn't have said it any more better. Just that, power, I doubt. |
| Posted by: Tomiya Takato Oct 18 2007, 07:48 PM | ||
meh u dont need a car to know that its not a rocket science |
| Posted by: am3pkcet Oct 18 2007, 10:15 PM | ||
having personally driven a 996 911 turbo and a c6 Z06, i have a vague idea of what the cars are capable of (unpatrolled public roads are still public roads). i would say the GTR has its work cut out for it. the Z06 is an amazing machine, and anyone saying otherwise is completely ignorant. |
| Posted by: Tomiya Takato Oct 18 2007, 10:28 PM |
| lets just wait for the reviews about the skyline vs the corvette |
| Posted by: d3v Oct 19 2007, 12:23 AM | ||
I'd rather see it versus the 911 and the R8. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 19 2007, 12:23 AM |
if some redneck sister loving hick will put any sort ovf V8 in this, first thing for me to do is find any sort of sbc or such and improve it with multiple kilos of TNT and other explosives..  |
| Posted by: d3v Oct 19 2007, 12:25 AM |
| Really, we have to see how this stands up to the R8. Sure the 911 and heck, even the 'Vette are worthy targets, but right now, Audi has just raised the bar. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 19 2007, 01:37 AM |
| http://www.nagtroc.com/forums/Official-Picture-Thread-t20099.html |
| Posted by: d3v Oct 19 2007, 02:08 AM | ||
Cool readouts.    Can't help but notice the button marked "Carwings." |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 19 2007, 02:10 AM | ||
You f**king piss me off so much. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 19 2007, 02:25 AM | ||
could you believe that that interface was actually designed by Polyphony Digital? |
| Posted by: Meteor Oct 19 2007, 03:09 AM | ||||
Not an exact quote, but that's close to what he said about the R34's interior. I believe he'll like the new interior as well. And I couldn't agree more with that quote about the Skyline's readouts.
That's awesome. |
| Posted by: d3v Oct 19 2007, 04:09 AM | ||
Now I know why they looked a bit familiar. More details from Edmunds Inside Line. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123066#40 Also includes these shots of the untertray.   ...and 15 inch brakes.   |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 19 2007, 06:30 AM |
| 15.2 inch brakes, and there's a rumour running in the 'nets that GT-R clocked 7'35 @ Ring recently.. that beats SLR etc.. |
| Posted by: sideways Oct 19 2007, 11:33 AM | ||
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| Posted by: Black_MKII Oct 19 2007, 11:36 AM | ||
if im not mistaken, it was faster than the 911 by 1 minute and 25 seconds... anyway, i cant wait... PS: never trust Rumors or gossips. |
| Posted by: am3pkcet Oct 19 2007, 11:44 AM | ||
they could be cool and put that in a windshield heads up display.... |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Oct 19 2007, 12:10 PM | ||
That is exactly why we shouldn't take manufacturer claims and or rumors of ring times with more then a grain of salt. How is a 3800lb front endined car with 450/500~hp(I'm not sure what the evo will be rated at) is in the same lap time as carrera gt's, koenigsegg ccr's ect? Should also note that it is well known that Porsche uses michelin cups tires on their cars for the ring laps. I have no doubt this will be a fast car but come on now. I cant wait until it is released and we see first hand what it actually can do as well as see how. I really wish there was one official body that controlled and sanctioned ring times so we can abolish all of the inconsistent BS. |
| Posted by: Spike Razzor Oct 19 2007, 06:31 PM | ||
I'm gonna have to agree with you on that one, it would be pretty nice to get details on how the cars doing like that. |
| Posted by: d3v Oct 19 2007, 06:31 PM | ||
Didn' Nissan acknowledge a 7:44 run as their best? |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 20 2007, 12:12 AM |
| AFAIK, 7'44-7'55 is the average laptime they've achieved with the car, fastest official lap being around 7'38. still no confirmation about 7'35 ghost lap.. http://www.nagtroc.com/forums/Seems-official-t20174.html  |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 21 2007, 06:37 AM |
| Yeah, that's a lie. Look at the power/weight of that car, compared to the other ones in the same area. Lies much? |
| Posted by: Piroko Wan Oct 21 2007, 06:42 AM |
| * 7:35 - Nissan GT-R, 480 PS/1739 kg, 10/07 * 7:40 - Bugatti Veyron 16/4, 1001PS/1888 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05) I lol'd pretty hard right there. |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Oct 21 2007, 07:14 AM | ||
are those REAL times because if that's true, nissan just kicked LOTS of A$$...but anyway, the Readouts remind me of http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/Museums/ThreatTrainingFacility/Aircraft/Mig23Cockpit.jpg ... |
| Posted by: Piroko Wan Oct 21 2007, 07:51 AM | ||
Are you kidding me? A car that weighs only 100 kg less and makes over 50% less horsepower having a time that's five seconds faster?I call BS. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 21 2007, 08:00 AM |
| if it would be porsche or vette you all would already be on your knees and licking you-know-what of porsche or chevrolet.. |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 21 2007, 08:17 AM | ||
Well, that would be more believable, since the Chevrolet, or Porsche, doesn't weigh as mush as a bloated whale. |
| Posted by: Piroko Wan Oct 21 2007, 08:20 AM | ||
Your generalizations make me laugh, since I couldn't care less. I just found it funny that supposedly the GTR beat the Veyron on the 'Ring. |
| Posted by: kel Oct 21 2007, 10:12 AM |
| Cars with leaf spring suspension suck...thats all i have to say |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 21 2007, 10:54 AM | ||
Well then, what does that say about all the cars with "conventional" suspension, that are so much worse than the Corvette? |
| Posted by: vhsfootball_82 Oct 21 2007, 11:46 AM |
| i cant believe ppl are still doing the corvette vs skyline or skyline vs corvette lol meh JDM fo Life!!! and maybe some other stuff....lol |
| Posted by: DeeezNuuuts83 Oct 21 2007, 11:49 AM | ||
Those Brembos are BEAUTIFUL... Anyway, I'll admit that while a lot of the rumored GT-R laptimes seem a bit far-fetched, I'm not too surprised. While many here question the logic of a car with the GT-R's power:weight ratio being as fast as it's rumored to be, that's always been the case of the Skyline GT-R. Let's not forget how the R33 GT-R was once the record holder, as it was the first production car to break into the 7-minute barrier, so I'm sure the newest version of it with gobs more power and more R&D could do the trick, despite the added weight. Obviously we'll have to wait for official lap times to be announced, but things are looking good so far, especially since we don't even know which GT-R model they have been using, since there has always been strong speculation that there will be a few variants. I'm more excited for the GT-R's debut than I am for my own birthday, which is the day after. |
| Posted by: AntiRellik Oct 21 2007, 11:51 AM |
| ^I'll make myself sure I wish you a happy birthday then! LOL The GT-R beating the Veyron in the 'ring? ... Bullsh*t |
| Posted by: DeeezNuuuts83 Oct 21 2007, 12:08 PM | ||
But here's the thing, I don't ever remember the Veyron ever being officially tested and timed on the Nurburgring. While I have seen that posted time for it, I was always under the impression that the time was a hypothetical estimate based on someone who has driven the Veyron and has considerable experience with the 'Ring, as there aren't many Veyrons out there, and I doubt many owners would willingly put up their $1.4 million car to be tested. There's a difference between lending your Veyron to a car magazine so they can do a straight-line top speed run and handing the keys to someone to make all of its 4000+ pounds go all out around a track like the 'Ring, where there are plenty of places for driver error to occur. On a similar note, I believe the time for the McLaren F1 was also an estimate. |
| Posted by: AntiRellik Oct 21 2007, 12:12 PM |
| lol. I bet those track times were pullen out somewhere like Gran Turismo where they simulate the whole thing. just kidding... but it's possible. But that GT-R time of 7:35 could also be estimate. |
| Posted by: DeeezNuuuts83 Oct 21 2007, 12:30 PM | ||
Yes, the GT-R's time could also be an estimate, but there's a much stronger likelihood that it may have already been achieved. We've at least been seeing it on the 'Ring for months and months, whereas I have never seen a picture of a Veyron even there. Plus let's not forget the cooling and handling issues that the Veyron had during its development. Going in a straight line trying to hit 253 mph won't be too stressful on a Veyron, as air is flowing straight into the air intakes at a high volume and a high velocity, but on a track like the 'Ring where you're going at various speeds, accelerating and braking, cooling won't be as efficient, the brakes (though made by Brembo and utilizing more fade-resistant ceramic rotors) will eventually weaken under hard use in a 4000+ pound car. I just did a tiny bit of research, and apparently there was only one time when the Veyron was seen testing on the 'Ring, and the only thing photographers saw was one test car crashed and another one (or two) having issues, so Bugatti pulled the cars out. |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Oct 21 2007, 12:54 PM |
| even if it IS an estimate, you gotta admit that the GTR kicks A$$ |
| Posted by: am3pkcet Oct 21 2007, 03:14 PM | ||
yeah i know. the vette has had a heads-up display since the C5s 10 years ago. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 21 2007, 03:20 PM |
| and then again, it could also work as a distraction for drivers who aren't used to such. |
| Posted by: am3pkcet Oct 21 2007, 04:57 PM |
| if someone gets distracted by transparant guages in your line of sight (where they should be, so you dont take your eyes off the road) then they probably shouldnt be driving a 400-500 hp RWD car to begin with.... |
| Posted by: Piroko Wan Oct 21 2007, 08:30 PM | ||
What is it with you? Jeez.AM3: Really? The 'Vettes have HUDs? I had absolutely no idea... since what model year? That's awesome! |
| Posted by: d3v Oct 21 2007, 08:52 PM |
| What is it with all the 'Vette comparisons. we all know which car the GT-R has to beat, not the C6, not the 911, but the R8. |
| Posted by: am3pkcet Oct 21 2007, 09:11 PM | ||
was an option on 1998 C5s, became standard equipment on all models in 2001. C6 HUDs display more information at once than the C5s and also include a lateral G-meter. they have a couple configurations for data display, but this is the first one i found on google:  |
| Posted by: Meteor Oct 21 2007, 09:26 PM | ||
That's not just awesome. It's useful as well! |
| Posted by: Spike Razzor Oct 21 2007, 09:52 PM | ||
Same here, had no idea. I knew the 180SX/240SX had a heads up display as well, but I think it just told you what speed you where going at, but having RPM and G in addition to a speedometer display is just too sexy . |
| Posted by: AntiRellik Oct 21 2007, 10:11 PM |
| Wow, I had no idea the Corvette had that. Very nice feature. SXs/Silvias also had heads up display? o_O wtf I hope the GT-R has other interesting features. |
| Posted by: am3pkcet Oct 21 2007, 10:31 PM | ||||
its also one of the other reasons why i chuckle when people call the corvette something out of the stone age because it uses leaf springs... |
| Posted by: Tomiya Takato Oct 22 2007, 03:40 AM |
| if u wanna brag about the c7 just make a topic and brag the hell outta there not here its completly off topic. do u see f1 with heads display ? omfg..... |
| Posted by: Piroko Wan Oct 22 2007, 04:01 AM | ||
I vote that this post be given "Most totally useless post of the week," since the user complains about off-topic discussion then proceeds to create another off-topic subject. EDIT: Since people are still talking about the BS 7:35 time... here's a video for you all. Probably doesn't prove much but they actually say that the best time Nissan got was 7:38. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123067?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..3.*#1 *Click the video icon on the right* |
| Posted by: Kenji Oct 22 2007, 06:15 AM | ||
LMAO You scared of new technology that doesn't made it into your dream R35 didn't you... The nearest competitor to the R35 so far now is the Corvette, since it's "The performance of a 911 at the price of a Corvette" --- Correct me if I'm wrong, but the current Vette is actually the most civilized American sports car ever made without counting those aftermarket tuner cars such as the Shelby GT500 or Roush [sp?]... |
| Posted by: DeeezNuuuts83 Oct 22 2007, 06:54 AM | ||
Just to clarify, the GT500 specifically isn't a tuner car, it's a factory vehicle that just carries the Shelby name, mostly for marketing purposes. But yes, the 'Vette has always been a rather civilized sports car and very easy to drive on a day-to-day basis. But then again, there aren't many real American sports cars today anyway, despite tons of cars with huge V-8s in them. |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 22 2007, 03:38 PM | ||
There is no C7 'Vette you dippy. The heads up display has been around since the previous generation, C5, Corvette. |
| Posted by: AntiRellik Oct 22 2007, 05:11 PM | ||
Yeah, huge V8s that are sitting there, under the hoods of such cars... Which are just practically there to say "yO! I gotz ay V8", not pulling the best of it. I think the Corvette has the best American engine...It's a V8 that you can be 100% sure that Chevy tried to pull the most of it... and they just go 2 models being C6 and Z06 unlike Ford pulling about 20 Mustangs out of their a$ses I don't like the Corvette much... but I admit it's a good car, sure it's got leaf springs, but who gives a f*ck if you've got leaf springs on a car that you paid for 70k and beats the hell out of some other cars about the triple the price. I nearly hated it time ago but I gotta admit it's a great car, though I like japanese cars better. So I hope this new GT-R can be some of a competition to the Vette I really don't give a sh*t if the GT-R can't beat the Corvette, what I care about most is the GT-R being able to kick the 911s a$s.I just sometimes wonder why the 911 wasn't banned from the whole automotive world with it's name, lol 9-11, 11th of September, death of the WTC Just a stupid joke...I really want the GT-R to kick butt, specially the 911s... I just don't know why I hate it... IMO it's a clown car just like the Fiat 600 and the Beetle, apparience wise... It's good in performance though... |
| Posted by: d3v Oct 22 2007, 05:28 PM |
| I hate to be the grammar nazi, but shouldn't the word "Days" in the thread title be singular? |
| Posted by: Piroko Wan Oct 23 2007, 12:14 AM |
| Less than 1 day. 20 hours remaining... |
| Posted by: Kenji Oct 23 2007, 04:43 AM |
| 16 more hours... |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 23 2007, 05:41 AM |
| 15 hours 7 minutes |
| Posted by: Tomo Oct 23 2007, 10:19 AM |
| lol who cares? Am I the only one not excited about this? |
| Posted by: Piroko Wan Oct 23 2007, 10:39 AM | ||
Well I'm sure that Hillbilly Bob toolin' away in his Firebird with no access to the internet and no care for world affairs would join you in his lack of care. To be honest, there are probably tons of people who either don't care or don't know.That said, keep in mind where you're posting. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 23 2007, 11:52 AM |
 prettyyy...        |
| Posted by: Spike Razzor Oct 23 2007, 11:54 AM | ||||
lol, Tomo waiting for Mazda to say there gonna use a brand new 3 rotor in an upcoming sports car ;9.
Wow... Kenji, don't tell me you just called the GT-R an R35 >_>... If anything it will be called [insert letter]37, since the G sedan and coupe series Skyline already took 35 and 36. |
| Posted by: DAKMOR Oct 23 2007, 12:11 PM |
| It's internal name is R35. Sorry, but you lose. And Nomake, no Hillbilly would buy a Firebird, he's got a IROC. |
| Posted by: Tomo Oct 23 2007, 01:07 PM |
| nu uh, he has a trans am. |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Oct 23 2007, 02:07 PM |
| 6 Hours Left... *impatiently waits* |
| Posted by: Nappy Hared Azn Oct 23 2007, 02:32 PM | ||
I don't care either. *high five* Actually, I care, but I'm far from excited. |
| Posted by: DK_2 Oct 23 2007, 02:50 PM |
| OMFG! Fin-Toy's pic of the GT-R is so sexy!!! |
| Posted by: sideways Oct 23 2007, 03:08 PM |
| it looks like a 350z with a body kit from that angle |
| Posted by: DAKMOR Oct 23 2007, 03:16 PM |
| No, SIBC, no sale. Blah blah blah, is that 20 yet? |
| Posted by: am3pkcet Oct 23 2007, 04:04 PM | ||
with the nose of an evo X |
| Posted by: BOZZ Savage Oct 23 2007, 04:07 PM |
| GOD that picture is so hot! Wow, I'm at loss for words... It's just soo sexy... Ian |
| Posted by: Tomiya Takato Oct 23 2007, 05:34 PM |
| 3 hours remaining..... |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Oct 23 2007, 05:38 PM |
| WTF?? in the GTR http://www.gtrnissan.com/?Site=nissanusa&Area=GT-R_Home it says "1 day 20 mins" |
| Posted by: Meteor Oct 23 2007, 05:43 PM | ||
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| Posted by: RalliKai Oct 23 2007, 06:04 PM |
| Basically what sideways and amp3 said. The red paint gives it an even more Evo look to it. I'm not too excited about the car but I'm interested in the final specs. |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 23 2007, 06:04 PM | ||
Yet another car to fuel my hatred for vertically positioned headlamps. |
| Posted by: Tessou Oct 23 2007, 06:15 PM | ||||
Don't forget the gigantor engine under the hood. |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 23 2007, 06:46 PM |
| ...Since when is 3.8l "Gigantor?" |
| Posted by: Spike Razzor Oct 23 2007, 06:54 PM | ||||
Wtf? Isn't it build around the V series chassis though?
This is clearly powered by a covenant engine =|... |
| Posted by: Phantom_R32 Oct 23 2007, 06:59 PM | ||||
Yes. I don't know where he got "R35" from. The R series is dead, sadly. |
| Posted by: Spike Razzor Oct 23 2007, 07:02 PM | ||
Thats what I'm saying. What we need is a new Pulsar styled car, so that lazy bums like myself don't have to wait so long to get one. |
| Posted by: d3v Oct 23 2007, 07:50 PM | ||
Platform code doesn't translate into chassis code. Also, the new GT-R is on the PM chassis, not the FM that the V series Skylines use. As for the R, that's based on reports from Japan that the new GT-R is using the R series chassis code. EDIT: Now here's one truck I'd love to hijack!  |
| Posted by: Möbius Oct 23 2007, 07:52 PM | ||
You can still get a '92 Pulsar for like $8-9K , imported. |
| Posted by: Supra Saiyan Oct 23 2007, 08:21 PM | ||
hmm According to official pre-order forms in Japan, I thought it was established that the new chassis code is CBA-R35 |
| Posted by: Tessou Oct 23 2007, 08:28 PM |
| I'd count them as R35s since the earlier two generations never had GT-R models. This isn't really a Skyline, but it's a GT-R, so it can have the title for all I care. What's more important is the fact that these babies are coming to America next year. God, I can't wait to see how many rich old folks buy it and never drive it fast. |
| Posted by: Supra Saiyan Oct 23 2007, 08:38 PM |
| im watching the live feed now....press release is in a couple of minutes, 1:50pm japan time nurburging lap to fill in the last 7 minutes of countdown...genius |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Oct 23 2007, 08:48 PM |
| Got a link? I dont see it on the gtr site |
| Posted by: ~Rev Free~ Oct 23 2007, 08:58 PM |
| the debut was pretty good, looks like its gonna be a great car. |
| Posted by: Supra Saiyan Oct 23 2007, 09:08 PM | ||
http://www.gtrnissan.com/index.html it was on the gt-r site... the press conference is over now, but u can read the transcript and there's a slideshow of gt-r pics official specs and gallery are available too |
| Posted by: But she looked 18 officer Oct 23 2007, 09:33 PM |
| yeah I saw the vid, I just didnt see it when you mentioned it. I'm guessing it wasnt truely live then. That said, that was rather boring. I guess they had to have something official but I was hoping we would get something I dunno.. new out of it all. |
| Posted by: Gabzor Oct 23 2007, 10:41 PM |
 guess they changed the front? |
| Posted by: d3v Oct 24 2007, 01:03 AM | ||
That's the same front that was on the pics that broke the embargo. Although, I have to say, it does look good from that angle. |
| Posted by: MîGüÊl Oct 24 2007, 05:06 AM |
| so, if I'm not mistaken, the car is officially out in Japanese Dealers? |
| Posted by: soujiro_seta Oct 24 2007, 06:07 AM |
| http://youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg |
| Posted by: Piroko Wan Oct 24 2007, 08:06 AM | ||
| Awesome video there. Though the comments did make me wonder if the time is legit... are the other times it's comparing against using the pit section or no? Hm. Oh yeah, and did anyone else besides me read this part of the press release and think that with very little effort the power numbers on the GT-R could be upped significantly?
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| Posted by: vhsfootball_82 Oct 24 2007, 08:38 AM |
| zomg.......it looks way better than before......... gotta start saving me some money and start eating crackers and water |
| Posted by: Piroko Wan Oct 24 2007, 08:45 AM |
| The more I read about this car, the more I feel like even an idiot could pull impressive times at the track with it. Sure there'll be people who complain because it isn't a manual transmission. But it's the best damn automatic transmission I've ever heard of and if you really want to try to beat the automatic's shifting (good luck) it does offer a manual shift mode. This "R" mode they keep talking about feels like such ridiculous overkill. |
| Posted by: vhsfootball_82 Oct 24 2007, 08:54 AM |
| Just saw the video....and im really impressed......... like nomake wan said...... even though some ppl may complain about it not being manual transmission...... who cares? Theres a reason why this car isnt going to sell for 30k.......... i mean look at all the nice and beefy stuff its carrying..... I would definitely buy this car..... feel like going to buy some bread and milk?.....just leave it in normal..... want to show off your new car to some ferraris or porche's......."R" Mode.... |
| Posted by: sl_brian_007 Oct 24 2007, 09:35 AM |
| For those who haven't seen the press conference which was live last night, go on http://www.nissan-global.com, then follow to the Tokyo Motor Show Section, which will lead you to the presentation with the Nürburgring Time Attack, or the presentation only. In this presentation, you can watch the Skyline GT-R described by Carlos Goshn himself, also featuring the Pivo2, Intima, Round Box & NV200. For those interested in viewing the full press conference without opening the site, copy this link in the "Open an URL" box in Windows Media Player -> http://www3.stream.co.jp/web06/nissan/press/EN/META/event_33en_01-bb.asx I would suggest everybody to take a look at the http://www.nissan.co.jp/MS/TOKYO2007/E/index.html containing a big load of information about Nissan exhibitions at the show. Pictures, videos and more stuff available. The accurate and extended specs of this new GT-R can be viewed on the http://www.gtrnissan.com. The Nürburgring Time Attack can be viewed directly on the micro-site I mentioned earlier, or also available on http://youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg (credits to soujiro_seta). Have fun watching! Edit: MîGüÊl: This new GT-R will become available in Japan only from December. It will become available in the USA & Canada by June 2008, and to the rest of the world within the year. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 24 2007, 10:29 AM |
| "During the industry testing sessions in which de:Sport auto records its "Supertest", the track can not be traveled at full speed past "Tribüne 13" (T13, grandstand 13) in order to allow safe access from the old exit/entrance there. Thus, Sportauto Supertests cover only about 20.6 km, which in average yields a 7 s shorter lap time compared to a full lap." |
| Posted by: MidnightViper88 Oct 24 2007, 10:39 AM |
| I feel like I've just waited for the climax and my partner just ended up faking it... |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 24 2007, 10:56 AM | ||
Which equates to, a 7:45 lap. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 24 2007, 11:07 AM |
| only if you drive the full lap, but in most cases, the starting point and goal are separated by 200 meters just for safety issues. thus, 7'38 it is, on partially damp track. you can whine as much as you want, but that is the official Nürburgring testing procedure, which makes it legit and official. go home and polish your pushrods, and let the world welcome the new 911 turbo/z06-devouring Godzilla. |
| Posted by: am3pkcet Oct 24 2007, 11:13 AM | ||
i would hardly call that "devouring" |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 24 2007, 11:18 AM |
| 7:38 - Nissan GT-R, 480PS/1720kg 26,600 Meter Timging September 2007 7.42 - Corvette Z06 (Jan Magnussen) You know, that means that the 'Vette did the WHOLE track, not the shortened by a tad over 200m version. Those were the direct time lines from here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times#Official_Lap_Records_in_Competitions |
| Posted by: am3pkcet Oct 24 2007, 11:21 AM | ||
but if you skew the numbers like that, it makes the GTR look SUPER FAST! |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 24 2007, 11:24 AM |
| I don't know if that was sarcasm or not, but, what it means, is that the GTR, if it ran the full track like the Corvette, would be at about 7:45. |
| Posted by: am3pkcet Oct 24 2007, 11:29 AM |
| yeah, i know. people are saying that the GTR is matching carerra GT times because of this missleading fanboyism regarding the 200m-shorter time. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 24 2007, 12:15 PM |
| you musclecar guys live in eternal denial.. |
| Posted by: sabishii Oct 24 2007, 12:19 PM |
| Er, knowing basic addition skills has nothing to do with eternal denial. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 24 2007, 12:29 PM |
| Mmmhmm, but they're whining because there actually isn't an organization that would keep an eye on these hotlaps just to be sure that they're legit. Anyway, most often manufacturers use this approx 200 meters shorter route just for safety reasons that have been mentioned multiple times. and sometimes, in-car technology can replace the displacement and power.. |
| Posted by: sabishii Oct 24 2007, 12:34 PM |
| Uh... okay let me walk you through this. What is... 7... +... 38? Also, you might want to ease up on the "musclecar guys" talk, especially when neither drives a muscle car and you're the self-proclaimed R32 GT-R fanboy. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 24 2007, 12:45 PM |
| why doesn't it sink to your thick skull that it is standard 'ring test procedure not to drive the pit stop part at full throttle due safety regulations, which is why the the officially timed laps end where they end? http://www.nagtroc.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=20239&view=findpost&p=288106 |
| Posted by: sabishii Oct 24 2007, 12:51 PM |
| Oh yeah? Link to where it says that the Z06 also took the 200m shorter lap? |
| Posted by: loki700 Oct 24 2007, 01:07 PM |
| Is it just me or does it look a bit like a 4WD version of the 350Z? I like the look of the old 32, this looks nasty, and it's even got a V6 like the Z. |
| Posted by: sideways Oct 24 2007, 01:35 PM |
| Is there something wrong with a v6? |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 24 2007, 01:39 PM |
| Not from my point of view, especially when this V6 is direct evolution of Nissan R390's 3.5l twinturbo V8.. |
| Posted by: am3pkcet Oct 24 2007, 01:40 PM | ||
yeah, still waitin on that. if not, then add +7 seconds to the GTR time to compare. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 24 2007, 01:51 PM | ||
http://www.performance-shop.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=30871.0;wap2
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| Posted by: AntiRellik Oct 24 2007, 01:52 PM |
| That new front end.... is ugly. It's just a 350Z with a GT-R badge. It's sh*t. I'd still own one though. I hope some company or Nissan themselves sell that black mask they had all this time on their test mules... Looks better with that IMO. |
| Posted by: Piroko Wan Oct 24 2007, 01:59 PM | ||
And to clarify... when AutoBild does a test they run the shorter track which FinToy has been saying all along. But I have yet to see something that shows the information on the exact Z06 record lap, so until that lap is brought to light I have yet to trust the info... |
| Posted by: sabishii Oct 24 2007, 02:00 PM | ||||||
http://www.supercars.net/Pics?vpf2=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073&mID=1384471&l=d:
And was the Jan Magnussen run an Autobild run? http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?p=939436 |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 24 2007, 02:12 PM |
| well, if you really want to refer to Magnussen's run that's 5 seconds slower than GT-R's, even though I provided a link that has 3 seconds faster time, be my guest.. atleast the one I gave has similar length of track, so that excuse is ruled out.. |
| Posted by: Piroko Wan Oct 24 2007, 02:15 PM | ||
Did I say it was? Re-read my post. |
| Posted by: sabishii Oct 24 2007, 02:22 PM | ||||
That's because your link was the SAME Jan Magnussen time, just misquoted (or the original data may have been edited) from the link that was provided within YOUR link. This is the link the guy you quoted cites: http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073 Note that there is no 7.40 run for a Z06.
Well, I wasn't sure so I left my statement open-ended, too. So you can interpret that as more of a rhetorical question. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 24 2007, 02:34 PM |
hm.. maybe the 2 seconds faster time is the second run, and the 7'42 is the earlier time before the cool down lap in between?  |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 24 2007, 02:41 PM |
| Doesn't matter, the Z06 is still faster than the GT-R. |
| Posted by: Tomo Oct 24 2007, 02:45 PM |
| lol clash of the fanboys who refuse to believe their beloved car doesn't match up to the other fanboys beloved car. Too good. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 24 2007, 02:50 PM |
| Okay, "mr. SIBC is gods gift to the world".. show me a proved laptime of stock Z06 that goes under 7'38 at Nurb.. and maybe then I admit that your claims might have a bit of truth.. mind you, it hast to be from the same length track as the GT-R's.. otherwise you can't convince me. although, even if you manage to dig out such laptime, I would still say that GT-R is the faster car, mostly because it's the overweight underdog here. |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 24 2007, 02:53 PM |
| What the hell is an SIBC? Anyways, it would be more impressive if we could get a GTR laptime, of the full length, instead of this short one. |
| Posted by: Nappy Hared Azn Oct 24 2007, 02:57 PM | ||
So true. Want to place bets on which side concedes first? |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 24 2007, 02:58 PM |
| The Vette that did 7:42 ran EXACTLY the same length as the GTR in 20.8 KM, once again it's a standard length and time attack procedure for all cars that goes and do the time attack. "A full lap of the de:Nordschleife, bypassing the modern GP track, is 20.832 km long. Most laps are completed 200 meters shorter for safety reasons. Full uninterrupted flying laps can only be done in closed sessions and race events like Castrol-Haugg-Cup." In other words 90%+ of the lap times posted are not including the pit lane entrance/exit at the end. Why is this so hard to understand? and if you don't know what SIBC is, ask from DAKMOR. Even your beloved Z06 has it. |
| Posted by: sabishii Oct 24 2007, 03:05 PM | ||||||
No, no it's not. It's the standard for Sport auto magazine, which is noted in the paragraph following the one you quoted. Not going to bother quoting it myself, it's painfully clear. Was the Z06 a Sport auto test? http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?p=939436:
I'm not a fanboy of either car. But I'm a fanboy of truth. |
| Posted by: Tomo Oct 24 2007, 03:13 PM | ||
hmmm... I'm not sure who to bet on here. Skyline fanboys are VERY hard to convince... but Corvette fanboys are just ridiculously hard to get through too.. they are both good cars and they will most likely never own either car so they should put their e-penises away and stfu. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 24 2007, 03:19 PM |
| and Nissan had it's own private session on partially damp track, so this tug-o-war is rather pointless. and sport auto magazine's procedure is followed commonly, because it's common sense. do you have a video available of the Z06 lap? you can always stop it at the point where Nissan's lap ended and see the time.. |
| Posted by: Nappy Hared Azn Oct 24 2007, 03:24 PM | ||
But where's the fun in that? |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 24 2007, 03:29 PM |
| yeah.. for once Chevy/Porsche lovers will get b*tchslapped by a Nissan.. they just can't admit or realize it yet.. |
| Posted by: sabishii Oct 24 2007, 03:30 PM | ||||
It's followed by "90%+ of the lap times posted." Does that mean 100%? Does 90=100? So does that mean every single lap time is of that standard? Also, what common sense?
On the other hand, GM rented the track for only this run. There are no cars accessing the old exit/entrance, so there is no need to shorten the track for safety. Nissan said they did the 20.6. I already pointed out that the article on Magnussen's run said he used the whole 20.8. How is this pointless? |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 24 2007, 03:40 PM |
| you have my clearance to use your brains. Magnussen most likely meant, that he did NOT pit between the runs, but instead proceeded to the cool down lap so he could do another hot lap, so he skipped the pits.. and since the Nissan test video ends where it ends, we can only assume that Nissan's test driver did the same before pitting. but the time was most likely in both cases taken at 20.6 mark. and in case that you already forgot, Nissan also had the track completely for their own use, that is also known as the test runs. |
| Posted by: sabishii Oct 24 2007, 03:48 PM | ||
Uh, or you can avoid rampant speculation and use Occam's Razor, assuming the most obvious possibility. |
| Posted by: FinToy-83 Oct 24 2007, 03:51 PM |
| Fine, stick to your denial, I'll embrace the truth. |
| Posted by: sabishii Oct 24 2007, 03:57 PM | ||
Uh... I'm going to stick to the best interpretation of the facts, you can stick to assuming/speculating whatever helps support your original argument. |
| Posted by: Sweeper Oct 24 2007, 04:00 PM | ||
Although I do not speak Danish, I am Norwegian and we share a lot of grammar rules and quite a few words. I just took my own pace at reading the article and it could actually strike both ways, it doesn't CLEARLY say they ran the 20.8 version of the circuit, that was merly factual information about the circuit and not neccesarly what they ran. The sentence is rather vague to make an argument like that right off the bat, although I am not a hardcore Skyline fanboy I still feel the facts should be true... You are going to need more solid proof than that article if you want that argument to hold water... |
| Posted by: sabishii Oct 24 2007, 04:03 PM | ||
Well, it clearly does not say 20.6 and it does say 20.8, referring to the fact that Rohrl's Porsche GT3 ran a 7:43 on the 20.8km track. It's not a solid argument FOR but it's even less of a solid argument AGAINST, which is why I'm assuming the former. |
| Posted by: Sweeper Oct 24 2007, 04:06 PM | ||
You don't get what I mean do you? Yes it says 20.8 but that is FACTUAL information about the circuit NOT what they ran. The grammar in the DANISH version is too vague to make that assumption, what you are doing now is ASSUMING. Until you can bring a video showing where the timer ended or a different source that mag link is null and void. I understand the ORIGINAL article, and can translate from that, if you want to continue this argument I suggest you find me a Danish person and lets sit down discussing grammar... Those are standard facts about the ring actually and in that context would be standard to mention, doesn't mean they ran it all though because that sentence is too vague too support that. |
| Posted by: sabishii Oct 24 2007, 04:13 PM | ||
No, no, I understand. Thus, I said "referring to the fact that Rohrl's Porsche GT3 ran a 7:43 on the 20.8km track" which is what the translation said. And that's why I said I agree with you that it's not a solid argument FOR. Translation I'm going off of: http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?p=939436: |
| Posted by: Sweeper Oct 24 2007, 04:24 PM | ||
Out of curiousity, do you have the actual links to the scans from the mag? I would like to see them if you have, as I cannot load the images in that link you sent which I presume contains the original magazine... If you had them it would be helpful in getting to to the bottom of this argument. |
| Posted by: sabishii Oct 24 2007, 04:26 PM |
| Hm? The scan is the same one http://www.supercars.net/Pics?vpf2=y&gID=3...mID=1384471&l=d. Is that the page you can't load? |
| Posted by: Tomiya Takato Oct 24 2007, 05:19 PM |
| why cant you corvette fanboys just cant take the fact that the skyline is better/faster then your corvettes. [do u see corvette's arround the world ? NO so just stfu and accept the facts] |
| Posted by: Kenji Oct 24 2007, 05:20 PM |
| Nissan will be happy after reading all these... XD --- WTH is SIBC? |
| Posted by: d3v Oct 24 2007, 05:28 PM | ||
Oh I'm sure the Posrche owners are already used to it after Audi. |
| Posted by: MattW Oct 24 2007, 05:39 PM | ||
You can't even drive, so, stay out of this conversation. Actually, yes, I have seen Corvette's all over the world. They are sold in FAR more places than Skylines/GT-R's, as a matter of fact. |
| Posted by: Tomo Oct 24 2007, 05:41 PM | ||
actually cars like the corvettes are coveted in places like Japan. They love em over there. Just because you dont see it on your BMI touge battle or doing l33t drifts doesn't mean they don't appreciate the car. *side note- I personally don't care for the car, whatsoever. |
| Posted by: BOZZ Savage Oct 24 2007, 05:50 PM |
| From what I'm getting from the Corvette/GT-R argument is that the GT-R ran the 20.6km course with 7:38 right? And the Corvette ran the long course (20.8km) with a 7:40? Is this information correct? I'm slightly confused... Ian |